5/30    Are the city engineers in Berkeley stupid?

        Why is it that the large streets (like University Ave. and
        parts of Telegraph) have their traffic lights timed to be
        red more often than green while the smaller streets that
        intersect them are green longer than red?
        \_ if you were so smart, you'd avoid driving on University and
           Telegraph near the campus and College and the other "big"
           streets
           \_ Even idiots don't drive near campus.  I'm talking about
              right after Jack in the Crack (small street before
              Alcatraz) and the 24 on/off ramp (no big surface streets
              intersecting them).
              \_ That would be Oakland, yes no?
        \_ People who drive or walk on the smallers streets have their
           rights too! -opressed smaller street walker
        \_ They must be. How else can you explain the repaving of Hearst
           east of Oxford after 10 years of disrepair and then promptly
           beginning to tear it up again?
            \_ that's the university doing infrastructure shite, not the city
           \_ No no, you mean every 2 years when city council elections
              come up.
           \_ how about the widening of the sidewalk on Center St. by campus
              a few years ago -- how long did that take? 6 months?
        \_ Duh.  Welcome to Berkeley.  It's *intentional*.  They _want_ to
           make it harder for drivers in Berkeley.  Duh, duh, duh.
           \_ Pshaw.  That implies that there's anything even remotely
               coherent in their 'planning'.  I think blatant stupidity
               applied in the most shortsighted manner possible is closer
               to the mark.
                \_ Go to a city planning meeting.  They spell it out in plain
                   English.  Car drivers are evil and must be punished.  I
                   wouldn't bother to make this up.  When in Berkeley, you
                   should never attribute stupidity when evil will suffice.
                   You're talking about a place that wants to turn a bunch of
                   dilapidated structures (not enough left to call them
                   'buildings' anymore) into historic landmarks, thus keeping
                   prime real estate from being turned into job making
                   businesses and screwing the owners. It's Berkeley. Wake up.
        \_ Man, everything related to the city of berkeley just sucks.
           Why was rent control removed? when demand is greater than supply
                \_ Because Pete Wilson outlawed rent control statewide.
                   Berkeley fought tooth-and-nail, but can't escape state law.
                   Get a clue you fucking whiner.
           rent control is good for the tenants. parking stinks, i think
           everyone w/ a car has paid at least 200 in parking tickets
          (me much more). Who here has parked at soda and gotten massive
           tickets?? Where do they expect people to park to go lab?
           \_ walk to lab, you fucking shithead.  know how much i paid
              in tickets in 4 years at cal?  nothing.  go back to LA
              and drive around with the rest of the auto-worshiping
              shitheads.
                \_ you probably live close enough to walk. not everyone
                    lives within walking distance. think b4 you speak
                \_ Ride Bike? Suck me bitch.
           This is the only city where they seem like they make life hard
           for the students, the non-students that generally make up the
           population of berkeley seem to want to make it hard for students
           to have proper accomodations... And how come we still have
           peoples park??? we need another unit... not a drugged&homeless
           gathering center. <sigh>
           \_ uh, rent control went away because vacancy rent control was
           \_ WILL SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!????
           \_ can't we all just get along?