5/10 Where's a nice first date place to impress a "nice" woman.
Serious replies please.
\- you know if you want a serious reply, ask a serious question.
you need to specify location, price and some sense of genre ...
\_ SF would be good.
morton's steakhouse in SF is much different from a $20 sushi place
\_ Farallon, Aqua, Postrio, LuLu...all in SF though.
in the south bay. --psb
\_ the only thing impressive about most restaurants around here
is the price of dinner vs. what you actually get...
don't overdo it on the first date, it's not worth it.
\_ is it generally a good idea to go to a very nice restaurant
on a first date before really knowing the other person? I think
a more casual first date would be better.
\_ BINGO! a truely "nice" woman isnt looking to be impressed.
That's for your average gold-digging bimbo.
\_ yup, perhaps leave a nice restaurant for the time when
you plan to get more serious with the person.
\_ If you want to impress a woman, do so with your intelligence and
wit, or if you don't have that, you could settle for your looks.
Nothing else would work, certainly not a restaurant.
\_ while this is true, having a good atmosphere helps provide
a nice setting
\_ A normal cafe is a perfectly good setting for a nice,
intelligent discussion.
\_ very true. But mentioned below, sounds like the person
may be visiting and she seems to like going out. I think
we may have to know the personality of the person the
poster is taking out.
\_ She may have said she likes going out in order not to
appear boring. People play these sorts of charades with
each other all the time. Some people date for years,
Bay, and it's quiet unlike Oliveto. But then taking her to
a hotel might make her think that you're implying something.
-- yuen
and still never know what their SO truly wants or
likes.
\_ Don't play guessing games. If she says something,
take it at face value. Stupid mind reading game
playing idiocy is why people date for years or
even get married and still never know what their SO
truly wants or likes. If she can't tell you the
truth on something so basic about herself, then
what sort of relationship are you going to have?
If it's just about sex, then who cares what she
likes? --doesn't play ESP head games, did well
\_ Just because guessing games are lame doesn't mean
they don't exist, or they should be ignored by
burying one's head in the sand. A human being
is a lying animal. Taking things at face value
because the alternative seems hard to swallow
is ... naive and stupid.
\_ Obviously games exist. By playing you only
make it worse. It's stupid. By always
being upfront that I don't play games and
then living it consistently, I was very
successful in avoiding all the fucking
nut heads and liars and other time wasting
bimbos. There _are_ women who don't play
kiddy head games. Those are the ones you
want a relationship with. The rest are
good for casual sex and nothing else. I
take it at face value to teach them not to
fuck with me. It works really well. The
super head cases flee, the dumb ones never
"get it" and the smart ones quickly figure
out correct behavior and adjust. It's
very Darwinian and works great. Have fun
trying to sort out the whacky losers from
the real women with your method.
\_ Taking things at face value doesn't make
you noble, it makes you a sucker. You
may have gotten lucky by not getting
seriously screwed by a cold-hearted
player, but if you keep with this
'strategy' of yours, you eventually
will be screwed. Human beings lie. You
can take what they say at face value,
or tell them to be honest, but they will
lie anyways. It's life. Don't be a
sucker.
\_ I agree with the other poster.
Personally, I would like a woman
who is honest with me and vice-versa.
No head games. It feels so much
better (for a healthy relationship)
\_ I also agree that honest women
are better, and a healthy
relationship has no games. I
don't like games. I am just
recognizing a fact of life that
liars exist, and they cannot be
ignored. Some of them are even
very good, and pose as 'honest
women.'
\_ You could cook dinner for her.
\ I thought of that; but she is from HK; and likes going out
and I thought iinviting to my apartment might be too
forward.
\_ uh-oh...HK; that almost necessarily means super-high maintenance.
HK's typically expect you to buy stuff and pay for everything,
so be careful. Something about HK's that seem common: they
always complain about how boring life is in the bay area and
how they want to be back in socal or hong kong where everything's
on at all hours of the morning. you want that?
\_ Ohhh.. then its another matter. She's just a party
girl who likes going to clubs and having guys
pay her way. So, decide whether you want to
pay along and MAYBE get sex, or just not play
her game, and take her to someplace reasonable.
Chances of something serious are small.
\_ likes going out doesn't necessarily mean seedy person.
Going out can be hanging out in cafes, ballroom
dancing, going to nice, comfortable eating places,
and others.
\_ Never date HK woman! They are the most materialistic
women in the world.
\_ Well, since I married one; I'm screwed...
\_ I agree. Try Taiwanese woman instead. -- HK guy
\_ Taiwanese women rule! -- white guy
\_ I dont see many Taiwanese women with white guys like me
and they tend to be very snobby.
\_ You need to try out some of those butt poking
Taiwanese men.
\_ Why ? I dont want my butt poked...
\_ what area in the bay area? Try not to overdo it on the first
date too...
\_ SF restaurants would be good.
\_ The Stud
\_ Delancey St. Restaurant on Embarcadero is
really good, nice view, not expensive.
And it's for a great cause.
\_ Restaurants I assume: Farallon, Aqua, Postrio, LuLu...
all in SF though.
\_ Postrio is a terrible place for a date. -tom
\_ If you live in Berkeley, an East Bay restaurant might be
preferable. There are several good restaurants on College Ave.
Garibaldi's, Nava, Citron, Bay Wolf, and Trattoria La Siciliana
to name a few. There's also Mazzini Trattoria on Telegraph, but
I haven't been there. Any comments on the place?
\_ Bay Wolf is on Piedmont, not College.
And you left out the best of the bunch, Oliveto. -tom
\_ Oliveto was intentionally left out.
\_ The restaurant in Claremont Hotel has very nice view of the
Bay, and it's quiet. But then taking her to a hotel might make
her think that you're implying something. -- yuen
\_ unless yer a sensitive homosexual, the whole point of
going out with a girl is to sleep w/ her, duh!
\_ Even if that's what the guy thinks, he shouldn't let
her know on the first date, right?
\_ Duh, she knows it! Damn, you're dense. Where do
you little boys get the idea that women don't know
what's up and are just this puzzle to be solved?
I'm going to stop now before I go off for a page
about women-as-people and geeks-as-virgins.
\_ I would find out if she likes sushi and take her to a sushi bar,
maybe Kirala. Environment is perfect to talk, sushi is ok.
\_ What makes Kirala "perfect to talk"? The din is overwhelming.
\_ Agreed; too hot and too noisy. the cafe idea sounds better
...someplace where you won't come out smelling like your dinner.
\_ Bay Wolf: 50+ crowd, Kirala: 50+ mins wait. Obelisque (right
across Citron) is the best in East Bay.
\_ you could take her to Chez My CROTCH.
\_ That is where I take yermom
\_ Only if you want to starve her on the first date.
\_ Is it true that for an Asian HK woman you should just
take the date as casual ? Or should you try to act like your 30 ?
\_ I hope this has taught you not to ask such a question on the motd.
\_ why buy a steak when you can get the steak for free? |
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