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2000/4/23-24 [Computer/HW/CPU] UID:18086 Activity:insanely high
4/22  Ultra 10 440Mhz UltraSparc-IIi, 256MB DRAM, 2MB L2 Cache, 9GB disk,
        floppy,cdrom,Creator3D Graphics,keybd/mouse/etc. for $3200 brand new
        from Sun. Thinking of buying one, for personal use. What do you think?
      \_  I'm so pleased that you asked.  This machine gets 18.1 SPECint95,
          22.7 SPECfp95.  For $3500, you could get a dual
          Pentium-III/750E, which gets something like 36 SPECint95 per CPU,
          256M of memory, an Nvidia GEFORCE 32M video card, a DVD drive,
          27G of disk, and a decent 19" monitor.
          check out http://langmuir.eecs.berkeley.edu/~peterm/BB.txt
          --PeterM
          \_ I thought that Windows98 does not support MP.
             \_ We won't runn Windows on it.  Windows 98 is so that I
              can install Winblows on another machine.  --PeterM
          \_ But you're running winblows 98 on it. EEEUUUWWWWWWW.
              \_ No, you're running an OS that has useful applications that
                 are fully compatible with the applications your clients,
                 customers and other business partners have.  Nothing else
                 matters.
          \_ 1 256MB DIMM instead of 2 128's.. really.. you're going to
             want the free slots.  Ditch the SuperMicro and PIII and get
             a K7V and Athlon 850 for less.  Ditch Win98.  Everything
             else looks perfect.
             \_ AMD doesn't do SMP.  We can get more CPU power in less
                space by going dual.  Had AMD gotten out a dual K7 chipset
                which worked well, my config. would have used K7.  --PeterM
             \_ please sign your name so l33t sodans can belittle you.
              \_ Don't get an Athlon.  Sheesh.  At least wait until the
                 'Thunderbird' chips are out in a month.  Lamer.  Stop
                   Giving out the generic 'kewl' advice on the motd when you
                 giving out the generic 'kewl' advice on the motd when you
                 obviously have no idea wtf you're talking about.
                 \_ The Thunderbirds won't be out in a month.  What was that
                    about having no clue what you're talking about?
                      \_ Athlons are out of stock most places now anyway.
                      \_ That was the last announced timeline.  You know
                         better than post the URL or fuck off.  Either way
                         it doesn't matter.  A K7 is stupid choice right
                         now.
                         \_ Because it's faster and cheaper?
                            \_ No SMP.  Loses ground at higher speeds due to
                               1/3rd speed cache.  !/4th speed at 1ghz.  And
                               because it has compatibility problems that
                               Intel's chips don't have.  And because a
                               dual P3 will be cheaper *and* faster *and*
                               run all your software without compatibility
                               fears with a modern, non-beta motherboard.
                               How's that?
      \_ Wait until summer when Sun releases the UltraSparc III workstations
         and slashes prices on the older Ultras.
         \_ Good. Another question, will SUN stop using those crappy video
            chipsets with 4MB of ram and crappy IDE controllers with no
            UDMA support  both of which are obsolete even by PC laptop
            standards?
            \_ To be fair, the SuperMicro MB doesn't support UDMA or
               4X AGP.  Intel is lagging on the chipsets.  The BX is still
               a high-perf. Intel chipset though.  --PeterM
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langmuir.eecs.berkeley.edu/~peterm/BB.txt
If we get this machine, we won't run Winblows on it: I threw the CD in there so that our research group would have a copy. Someone stole our Winblows CD, which makes it hard to reinstall Winblows, as is necessary all too often.