4/13    http://www.usnews.com/usnews/edu/beyond/gradrank/gbcompsc.htm
        PhD Grad school rankings by US News.
        \_ that list is laughable.
        \_      Grad students slave,
                Workers rake,
                Professors drool,
                When IPO rules,
                Academia is shit,
                Industry is the best.
                        \_ Spoken like someone who doesn't know how many
                           Cal professors have cashed in on IPO's - ask
                           Prof Brewer about his half billion $ of Inktomi
                           stock, or the professors who founded Cadence,
                           Ingres, Illustra, etc. how much they made while
                           still teaching.
                           \_ if you call what Brewer did teaching.  Talk
                              some of his students who were in 169 when inktomi
                              was about to go public.  The man didn't bother
                              to show up to teach half the time.  And I don't
                              came how much inktomi was oging to be worth,
                              an attitude like that is just unprofessional.
                              \_ spoken like someone in academia. Get this
                                 right. It's not how much you know or how
                                 prestigeous you are with XYZ academic
                                 publication. It's all about money. Everything
                                 in this world is all about money. Money =
                                 pretty girl, nice car, big house, and
                                 everything you can imagine for. All that
                                 academic talk is CRAP.
                                 \_ epsilon semimoron.
                                 \_ I had prettier girls when I had less money
                                 \_ Hi paolo!
                                 \_ Nah! What's important is good health!
                                 \_ Would you rather be Bill Joy or Bill Gates?

        \_ basic and simple question: Can anyone out there take university
           research, make into a product and make money out of it?
           \_ There was an agreement between my prof and the university
              that he could take his lab's research (two product names
              in particular) and make money off it, no strings attached.
           \_ Depends on the University & the field - at UCB, the University
              makes lots of money licensing patents to industry, but
              traditionally has let anyone use UCB software for free (see BSD).
        \_ Is there a ranking for Master's programs instead of PhD's?