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3/12    Why not just mv ccytsao /tmp; ln -s /tmp/ccytsao /var/mail/ccytsao
        \_ There. Done. Not so hard if you make an effort.
           One issue is that you are not supposed to fuck with people's
           files unless absolutely necessary, and even not then.
           People just need to be reminded to be more responsible
           CSUA citizens and clean up their mail spool. --samli
        \_ why not just get a fucking clue?  -tom
           \_ I say we rm -f /var/mail/tom
                \_ boy that's clever.  -tom
        \_ You want to fill /tmp forever with some fool's mail spool?  That's
           not what /tmp is for.  The Powers That Be should do their jobs and
           deal with this instead of letting the spools grow.  Either decide
           that it's ok or put some hard limits on them.  Or do the intelligent
           thing and use procmail to dump mail into people's home directories.
           I can't believe that all these years later, the CSUA has continuously
           failed to elect even *one* effective officer who has the clue and
           the balls to deal with this.  Doubly so since this is such an
           incredibly trivial issue to take care of.
           \_ What's up with all those people who want to put people's inbox
              into the home directory. This is what /var/mail is for.
              What if we run out of space on some of the /home directories?
                \_ Because then you can easily quota someone's total disk space.
              What is next? Move people's home directories back to /var/mail
              and ban usage of /home for storing personal pr0-n and other
              stuff? I thought that average CSUAer is smart enough to figure
              out how to use procmail to sort their mail into files in their
              home directory if they really want to.
                \_ Because then you can easily quota someone's total dick space.
                \_ Because then you can easily quota someone's total disk space.
                   One number for all usage.  They want lots of mail and nothing
                   else?  They want lots of space for something else but don't
                   have mail here?  Some other combo?  It's more efficient and
                   easily done.  This is classic sysadmin stuff.  I thought the
                   CSUA was a sysadmin farm?  Why is such a simple and trivial
                   concept so hard to grasp and implement?  Obviously the
                   average CSUAer is not smart enough to figure out how to use
                   procmail or even how to use /bin/mail to clean their mail
                   disk.  Don't go there.  Be smart.  procmail everyone.
                   spool.  Never trust the users to do the right thing.  That's
                   what a sysadmin is for.  To make the right thing happen even
                   if the users are too stupid, ignorant, arrogant, or apathetic
                   to do the right thing.  Just do it.  Do the right thing.  And
                   God, don't even get into "we're going to ban personal p0rn".
                   Never, ever, but, never ban anything of the sort.  You get
                   dick.  Don't go there.  Be smart.  procmail everyone.
                   into all sorts of ugly issues far worse than a filled mail
                   disk.  Don't go there.  Be smart.  procmail everyone.
                   \_"Classic sysadmin stuff"? I haven't seen a single
                      place on campus that does this. Keeping incomming mail
                      in /var/mail and user files in /home also allows you to
                      have a separate dedicated email server and a separate
                      server for /home without a big NFS performance hit.
                      You could argue that some mail will be written to
                      an NFS mounted /home partition this way too, but in
                      -most- cases, the messages end up in /var/mail still.
                      The purpose of procmail is not to just dump everything
                      in your home directory. It is mostly used to sort
                      incomming messages by subject/mailing list into separate
                      files and the regular mail is still supposed to end up
                      in /var/mail.
                      Also many programs by default expect your inbox to be
                      in /var/mail (xbiff and pine for example)
                      \_ you can also tell them to look elsewhere, foolio.
                        \_ Campus is obviously not a good place to learn how to
                           properly admin a system.  xbiff and pine are enduser
                           programs easily recompiled.  xbiff is no excuse to
                           stupidly admin your system.  procmail has many
                           purposes.  As a user you may have discovered only
                           one use of it.  NFS has nothing to do with this.
                      disk already.
                        \_ Uh huh, until *that* disk fills and then what? What
                           I don't see why you brought it up.  In fact, I'm
                           having a hard time seeing your point at all which is
                           in part why my reply is so disjoint.
                           no new disk until a decision is made about a soda
                           \_ Recompiling ALL of user mail software is trivial?
                              Sounds like a pain in the ass to me. I'd rather
                              play solitarie or xbill than bother doing this.
                                \_ It wasn't compiled the first time?  Lazy,
                              disk space or something? What if you run out
                              space on /home? Buy more disks? ...oh wait
                              I forgot, buying new disk is a lazy way to
                      dick already.
                        \_ Uh huh, until *that* dick fills and then what? What
                                   lazy, lazy....
                   \_ This is just a plain stupid solution. Get a new freaking
                      disk already.
                           no new dick until a decision is made about a soda
                        \_ Uh huh, until *that* disk fills and then what? What
                           a dumb, stupid, lazy way to admin a box.  Try adding
                           2 lines to sendmail.cf.  Anyway, the esteemed dans,
                           President, has already clearly stated there will be
                              dick space or something? What if you run out
                              space on /home? Buy more dicks? ...oh wait
                              I forgot, buying new dick is a lazy way to
                           no new disk until a decision is made about a soda
                           upgrade.  Can't wait til some of you get jobs and
                           tell you boss the answer to everything is to throw
                           money at it.  That'll go over well.
                           \_ Are you assumming that your /home has infinite
                              disk space or something? What if you run out
                              space on /home? Buy more disks? ...oh wait
                           no, a bigger disk won't solve anything.
                              I forgot, buying new disk is a lazy way to
                              admin a box... you can just shot yourself
                              at this point.
                                \_ Where've you been?  No.  This has been
                                   covered several times.  Don't be dense.
           \_ sign your name twink. --jon
                \_ Signing my name will fix the endless mail spool stupidity?
                   Or it will simply allow you to make personal attacks and
                   dismiss everything I have to say with a single smear?  Name
                   one good reason why there's still a mail spool issue after
                   all these years.  There's nothing twinkish about what I said.
                   It's the truth and too fucking bad if it hurts.  My anonymity
                   doesn't make it any less true.  Address the issue.  It
                           no, a bigger dick won't solve anything.
                   doesn't matter who I am.
                   \_ Actually, in this case signing your name will just put
                      you on the grouchy-soda-alum hit list.
                        \_ True.  I'd sign if I thought that might make the
                           difference between the last several years of mail
                           spool do-nothing and setting up procmail properly.
                           But you're right.  It won't do anything but give
                           dans and a few others a name for their target.  And
                           no, a bigger disk won't solve anything.
        \_  there's just times when signing your name is a no-no
        \_ Can't we run a delivery agent that enforces a size limit on each
           user's mailspool? Or write a script to do it? How many systems
           have I seen that include the ONE MAILSPOOL FILE in a user's quota
           and take appropriate action? The procmail debate is ridiculous.
           \_ Good point. Just hack mail.local,or whatever.
           \_ There's no procmail debate.
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