Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 17548
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
 
WIKI | FAQ | Tech FAQ
http://csua.com/feed/
2025/04/04 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
4/4     

2000/2/18-21 [Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:17548 Activity:nil
2/17    How come when I install WinNT on a brand new machine, it says it can't
        format a 5GB partition using NTFS?  I thought NTFS can be very large.
        Thx.  -- yuen
        \_ On NT4, the installer doesn't know how to format NTFS.  It knows
           how to format FAT16.  FAT16 is limited to 4 GB.  If you select
           NTFS during install it actually formats FAT16, copies some
           files, boots NT kernel, and then a converter takes over to
           convert the disk from FAT16 to NTFS.  NT5 is better about this.
           \_ I see.  BTW how come the FDISK in MS-DOS 6.22 limits to 2GB
              partitions instead of 4 while FAT16 can handle 4GB?  -- yuen
              \_ http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q127/8/51.ASP
              \_ different cluster size.
        \_ Use a repartitioner like Partition Magic (v5 is slick) to set the
           partitions and types after install.
        \_ OEM-ers have ghost-like installers that let them install onto
           partitions greater than 4GB
2025/04/04 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
4/4     

You may also be interested in these entries...
1999/8/24-26 [Computer/Networking, Computer/SW/OS/Windows] UID:16390 Activity:very high
8/24    Question. Which ISP is good for 24 hours and is reliable? I am
        willing to spend up to $30/month. Also, which auto password and
        auto Windows 95 dialer is good to download? Thanks.
        \_ ED!  ED!  ED is the STANDARD!  Tax Advisor.
                \_ /bin/cat you fool!
        \_ $30! That's pretty steep for an ISP.  Might as well spend a
	...
Cache (5463 bytes)
support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/Q127/8/51.ASP -> support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:80/support/kb/articles/Q127/8/51.ASP&NoWebContent=1
Discussion groups and Forums about specific Microsoft products, technologies, and services. This article was previously published under Q127851 SUMMARY Microsoft Windows NT supports the creation of primary partitions and logical drives of up to 4 gigabytes (GB) using the File Allocation Table 16 (FAT16) file system, but Windows 95/98 and MS-DOS do not support these drives. The size limit for logical drives using the FAT16 file system in Windows 95/98 and MS-DOS is 2 GB. NOTE: Windows 95 OEM Service Release 2 and later support drives larger than 2 GB using the FAT32 file system. MORE INFORMATION Microsoft does not recommend using MS-DOS or Windows 95/98 with a 4 GB FAT16 drive created in Windows NT. If you use Windows NT's dual boot feature to boot MS-DOS or Windows 95/98, you may be able to access the drive, but you may experience unexpected behavior. In particular, some programs or utilities may incorrectly report that no free space (0 bytes) exists on the drive. In addition, you cannot run Windows 95/98 Setup if your computer has a FAT16 drive created by Windows NT. For example, during Windows 98 Setup you receive the following error message if your system has a FAT16 drive larger than 2 GB: Setup has detected that your hard drive has a 64K-cluster FAT partition. Because ScanDisk does not work on disks with this cluster size, Setup cannot continue. To complete Setup, you must repartition your hard drive, format the partition with a FAT file system that has a cluster size of 32K or less, and then restart Setup. Other problems accessing FAT16 drives larger than 2 GB in Windows 95/98 may include the following: * Running the Defrag tool on the drive causes a "Divide by zero" error message or the Defrag tool stops responding (hangs). ScanDisk for Windows typically runs without error on 64k cluster FAT16 drives and shows 64K clusters/allocation units on the Summary dialog. Both MS-DOS and the retail release of Windows 95 use a 16-bit FAT for logical drives larger than 15 megabytes (MB). The maximum number of clusters for a 16-bit FAT drive is 64K. In addition, the maximum cluster size for a FAT16 drive in MS-DOS, or Windows 95 is 32K. Therefore, the maximum logical drive size for FAT16 is calculated as follows: 32K x 64K = 2048 MB = 2 GB The maximum cluster size for a FAT16 drive in Windows 98 is 32K, or 32,768 bytes. Therefore, the maximum logical drive size for FAT16 is calculated as follows: 32K x 64K = 2048 MB = 2 GB Windows NT uses a 64K maximum cluster size to allow drives larger than 2 GB using FAT16. The maximum logical FAT16 drive size in Windows NT is calculated as follows: 64K x 64K = 4096 MB = 4 GB NOTE: On a FAT drive, space is allocated by clusters. That is, a file that is smaller than the drive's cluster size is still allocated one full cluster, thus wasting the additional space in the cluster. Similarly, a file that is large enough to fill 3-1/2 clusters is allocated four full clusters. Using a smaller cluster size typically results in less wasted space on the drive. The cluster size for a FAT drive is determined when the drive is formatted and varies depending on the size of the logical drive. For more information about cluster and logical drive sizes in MS-DOS, please see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: ARTICLE-ID: Q67321 27 67321 TITLE : FAT Type and Cluster Size Depends on Logical Drive Size Windows 95 and MS-DOS use the FDISK utility to partition a disk. When it accesses a hard disk, FDISK uses the system AT ROM BIOS INT13h interface, which has a maximum of 1024 cylinders, 255 heads, and 63 sectors per track. FDISK can access any drive within the limits imposed by the AT ROM BIOS, which means that FDISK can access drives of up to 8 GB, calculated as follows: 1024 cylinders x 255 heads x 63 sectors per track x 512 bytes per sector = 8,422,686,720 bytes, or roughly 8 GB The original IDE hardware interface is limited to 16 heads, which reduces the maximum drive size to 504 MB. Newer IDE (ATAPI) technology, however, uses a translation scheme called Logical Block Addressing (LBA) to exceed the 504 MB limit as imposed by the system AT ROM BIOS and IDE specifi- cation. SCSI and ESDI hard drive controllers use similar translation methods that are usually built into the controller card's ROM BIOS to exceed the 504 MB size limit. For more information about the use of large hard disks with MS-DOS and Windows 95/98, please see the following article in the Microsoft Knowledge Base: ARTICLE-ID: 28 126855 TITLE : Windows Support for Large IDE Hard Disks The FDISK utility in MS-DOS and the retail release of Windows 95 can create an extended partition larger than 2 GB. FDISK can then create multiple formatted drives of up to 2 GB in this extended partition that conform to the AT ROM BIOS constraints mentioned earlier. FDISK does not, however, allow the creation of a primary FAT16 partition or logical FAT16 drives in an extended partition that is larger than 2 GB. Note also that, as mentioned earlier, logical drives larger than 504 MB cannot be accessed using MS-DOS or Windows 95 unless LBA or geometry translation is used. In Windows NT, you can create 4 GB FAT16 drives, either as a primary partition or as a logical drive in an extended partition. Because MS-DOS and Windows 95/98 have a maximum logical FAT16 drive size of 2 GB, FAT16 drives larger than 2 GB created using Windows NT cannot be reliably accessed using MS-DOS or Windows 95/98.