11/30   O.k. without breaking out the knee-jerk, John Birch society
        nonsense, can someone tell me what is wrong with the WTO?
        N.B.  I don't want to hear from any whiny "their stealing our
        jobs" morons either.  If you don't accept the basic tenent that
        free/open trade is good, you are to far removed from my values
        for any dialogue to be useful.
        \_ What's up with the knee-jerk "free market" is good nonsense?  We
           do not live in a free market economy in the US.  The rest of the
           world is even less free.  IMO, you're confused about the way it is.
        \_ the United States was formed to get away from being controlled
           by foreign governments, but the WTO is superceding US Laws
           overwriting the will of the people of the US, there it is sort
           of like destroying your freedom and giving it back to the New world
        \_ The WTO has only one goal: to make money for it's members at any
           cost.  I'm all forcapitalism but not the free wheeling totally
           open no laws market the WTO fosters.  For those confused about
           the US, we do *not* have a free market economy.  Our economy is
           very controlled and regulated.  That's why you can still drink
           the water and breath the air (mostly).  The WTO version of the world
           would sell you a gas mask, bottled water from their water
           purification plant, and serve you tuna with a healthy amount of
           dolphin mixed in (as long as we still have dolphins and they don't
           harvest the tuna to extinction).  Money at all costs.  There are
           no other considerations to the WTO.  If you like being able to
           breath the air, drink the water, and walk the earth, you'll be
           against the WTO.  It has nothing to do with the JBS.  Free and open
           trade is good, but not totally free everything at the expense of
           the future.
           order scum.
                \_ Exactly.
           \_ What specific US Law is the WTO going to supercede?
              The US is not an isolated nation.  It's going to
              have to trade with other nations, or lose out.  So,
              the question is, given the above, is WTO beneficial
              to the US as compared to no WTO, or a WTO without
        \_ I just love how a group that is nothing more than a glorified
              the US.  I agree that environmental and labor
              concerns should be looked into, but this irrational
              total rejection of it is silly.
              \_ I rationally reject an organisation that seeks to punish the
           \_ urlP?  (riotP?)
                \_ Will that effect my  stock option price ?
                 US and declare illegal our environmental laws because some
                 South Americans were upset that we wouldn't let their
                 polution creating products into our country.  I rationally
                 reject an organisation that seeks to punish the US and
                 delcare illegal our denial of tuna from other nations that
                 was not harvested in a dolphin safe manner.  I rationally
                 reject the WTO and all other multinational mega corps that
                 are responsible to no one.  I rationally reject the One
                 World Government.  I'm willing to trade quite happily with
                 other nations but not at the expense of the environment
                 because other nations find sloppy tuna fishing to be easier
                 and more profitable.
        \_ 1. you are right, it's mostly a bunch of whiney
           "they're stealing our jobs that we would never do for that
            pay anyway" people
           2. They ARE stealing our spelling, apparently.
                \_ woops, speaking of morons, apparently, i can lump me
                   into that group.  However, you are being too kind
                   referring to the their/they're error as a spelling
                   error.  Umm, i mean I MEANT to do that. It's a quote! i
                   was making fun of those people, dummy.
                        \_ No, you just can't spell.  You're an idiot.
        \_  jus love how a group that is nothing more than a glorified
           multinational multi-corporation lobbying group uses a .org
           domain name.  Phillip.
        \_ The WTO overturns local & national laws in the name of fair trade,
           even consumer protection and environmental protection laws.
           \_ Wow. S.O. couldn't convince the consumers pollution is good.
              It couldn't convince the government. It couldn't BRIBE the
              government. So now it's trying to make the government
              irrelevant.
              \_ what's S.O.?
                 \_ Standard Oil