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11/19   Anyone have a link to a description of where the cache is on the
        celeron vs. where it is on the pentium ][? A friend of mine is
        trying to argue that the celeron's is not on the CPU, but is for the
        pentium. That's just wrong, but I want definitive proof to fuck him up.
        \_ I believe in early editions of the celeron, your friend is right.
                However, in later editions of the celeron, they added a
                cache.  So perhaps you can both be right.
        \_ perhaps this helps one of you:
                http://developer.intel.com/design/celeron
        \_ That's it:  You're both right!
           http://www.anandtech.com/html/articledisplay.cfm?document=277
           Happy Days for Everyone!  Now if only the Bears win the Big Game.
           \_ not bloody likely.  go trees!
        \_ Well, L1 or L2 cache?
        \_ The original Celeron processor had no L2 cache.  It was essentially a
           crippled Pentium II.  The 300A version and later (originally
           named Mendocino) has an integrated 128KB L2 cache on die.
           The Pentium II processor has a 512KB L2 cache on the
           backside, and runs at half processor speed (if chip is 400
           MHz, cache speed is 200MHz).  The Celeron processor cache
           runs at full speed since it's on die.  The new Pentium IIIs
           (Coppermine) have a front-side cache of 256KB (I'm pretty
           sure).  -emarkp (Intel employee)
           \_ Can you get me Intel chips for less than wholesale?
             \_ yes.  as long as you don't need them to be working.
                \_ No fan is ok.  Working is prefered.  You can't even get
                   older stuff for cheap (and working)?
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developer.intel.com/design/celeron -> developer.intel.com/design/celeron/
Celeron processors provide the value customer the capability to affordably get onto the Internet, and utilize educational programs, home-office software and productivity applications. All of the Celeron processors include an integrated L2 cache, and are built on Intel's advanced CMOS process technology. The Celeron processor is backed by over 30 years of Intel experience in manufacturing high-quality, reliable microprocessors.
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www.anandtech.com/html/articledisplay.cfm?document=277 -> www.anandtech.com/html/../showdoc.html?i=277
Intel Celeron 300A Date: August 31st, 1998 Topic: 10 CPU Manufacturer: 11 Intel Author: 12 Anand Lal Shimpi We all make spontaneous decisions in our lives at one point or another. You may choose to take a different road to work in the morning, you may opt for a different kind of dinner when you get home, or you might go out on the limb and have an after dinner snack. While that is a very bland illustration of spontaneous decisions, for the most part, the spontaneous decisions that face us daily aren't as dramatic as the one you are about to hear about. Building on the success of their Pentium II Celeron line of processors, Intel felt the need to up the ante once again with their fierce competitor AMD, while also managing to raise the entry level performance mark by a considerable amount. Realizing that the entire weakness of the original Celeron processor was the lack of cache, not in actual performance situations, but on paper, the lack of cache caused many magazine editors and online publications to horribly trash the product as it couldn't stay competitive on a level of overall performance. This opened up the market to AMD's highly successful K6-2 processor as well as Cyrix's M-II for those that weren't too concerned with 3D gaming performance. As you all probably remember from the original Celeron article on AnandTech, there are two types of high speed memory found on most x86 PC's that will dramatically increase performance when used efficiently. These two types are, of course, Level 1 and Level 2 cache. Cache acts as a middle man between your processor and your main memory subsystem, instead of wasting time going directly to the memory for a data request, your CPU can request data directly from its Level 1 (L1) cache which is located on the processor itself or from the system's Level 2 (L2) cache which can be located anywhere from the processor itself to the motherboard depending on your CPU. By leaving the system memory out of the equation, many repeated tasks (many of which are found in business applications, such as Office applications, and even your OS alone) are sped up considerably. With the Pentium II, in order to increase performance, Intel decided to move the L2 cache off of the motherboard, as they had done in previous designs, and on to a card which is physically much closer to the CPU. By allowing the L2 cache to operate at 1/2 the clock speed, Intel managed to dramatically increase overall system performance by simply migrating that cache on to the processor card. The L2 cache on most motherboards prior to the release of the Pentium II operated at around 66 - 83MHz depending on your setup, whereas most Pentium II desktops have L2 cache operating at frequencies greater than 117MHz, and in most cases well above 150MHz (depending on your processor). Unfortunately the Pentium II was too overpriced to be a viable solution for the low end market, so Intel simply removed the L2 cache from the processor card and sold the newly "strip-teased" chips at an incredibly degraded costs. Calling these new chips the Pentium II Celeron family of Intel processors, Intel was able to create a name you didn't want your computer to be associated with, simply because the general consensus of the hardware enthusiast population was that cache was necessary for a truly high end system. While this may hold true in some cases, you must keep in mind that for a high end gaming system, L2 cache isn't all that necessary. 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However, instead of simply adding the cache onto the cartridge itself to make this new processor another Pentium II look-alike, Intel chose to decrease the amount of L2 cache they would place on the cartridge as well as change the placement of that cache. By decreasing the amount of L2 cache from 512KB on the Pentium II, to 128KB and placing it on the processor's die itself (meaning that the L2 cache is an actual part of the processor, and not part of a separate package as it was with the Pentium Pro and as it is with the Pentium II Xeon) Intel could produce a low-cost yet high performance solution which would carry on the Celeron name for quite some time. Try our online Parts Finder tool to find the product you need quickly.