9/27    San Francisco software localization company needs engineers.
        Many openings, entry level to high end.
        Good things to know: Oracle, jsp, SGML/XML.
        Wanna sunbathe in South Park with startup geeks?
        Contact mgp@soda
        \_ How much do you guys generally offer to a 2-3 year software
           Engineer?  If the money is right, who cares if I have ride bart or
           bus. =)
        \_ which company? do they have a website?
           \_http://www.translate.com
        \_ No thanks.  Only if I already lived in SF.  Parking already sucks
           and thanks to Da Maya! building a stadium down the street and
           destroying hundreds of parking spots to do so, it's going to be
           completely impossible soon.  Your company picked a trendy, but
           stupid place to setup.  I was incedibly happy when I stopped
           working in that area.  Oh yeah, "RIDE LINUX BIKE!" for the
           drones and clones that spew that stuff.
           \_My company picked a cheap place to setup, five years before
             the "trendy" companies moved in, thank you very much.  As
             for parking, if you can't handle a six-block walk from BART,
             you probably need to work from home anyway.  Oh, yeah, I ride
             bike.  15 minutes to work.
             \_ You implied it was a startup, but I guess not.  I can easily
                handle a walk from BART.  You ever tried parking at a BART
                station so you could take BART?  I worked up the street and
                it was faster *and* cheaper to drive and that includes wear
                and tear on my car.  Fuck BART.  It's easy to spout off about
                how easy it is to use BART when you've never done it.
                \_ I guess the 200,000 people who do it every day don't
                   do it either.
                   \_ They do it because they *have* to.  I don't *have* to.
                      No one with half a brain is doing so.  Just because a lot
                      \_ its called poverty you fucking idiot. not everyone
                         in the bay area is a programmer.
                      of other people are stupid and slavish doesn't mean
                      stupidity and slavishness are good.  If they all jumped
                      off the bridge would you use that as a reason to jump
                      off the bridge, too?  I can't believe you're trying to
                      use such cheap high school boy logic.  Fuck BART and fuck
                      stupid people and fuck high school boy logic.  BART is
                      expensive and takes too damned long.  It'll be even
                      worse when they kill more parking and even more people
                      take BART.  And if you're a woman, you'll get harassed
                      on BART.  Yes, it happens.  It happens a lot.  This may
                      not be an issue for the women you know, however.  Come
                      to think of it, SOMA isn't a neighborhood a woman can
                      walk through safely, either.
                \_  Of couse, you can bike to/from a BART station, but that
                    pretty much makes your work hours either late (get
                    to work at around 9:30) or early (before 7am).   IT sure
                    does beat driving to the south bay though.
                        -- been there done that
                \_ you can bike to BART any time, park your bike there and
                   walk to SOMA.
           \_ can you post some job descriptions in /csua/pub/jobs?
                \_ And make sure it's world readable.
                   \_ Done.  /csua/pub/jobs/translate.com