9.5 61c section now taught in NT lab using vc++. It is the beginning
of a new era.
\_ Classes using nt: 61c, cs152, cs160, cs169, even ee122 let us
write a webserver in visual c++ if we wanted to. It's nothing
new. - paolo
\_ you forgot 184 in this post-sgi era.
\_ At least Culler is still using the 61c project Phil Nunez
designed for nweaver. (Is he going to make them overflow
buffers and become uber-hackers as well?)
\_ If I hurry, I can graduate before Visual Spim comes out.
\_ At least for now 61A and 162 is safe from the forces ofevil.
Harvey would never allow 61A to be taught on Windows and no
professor in their right mind would ever ask their student
to run Nachos or simulate an OS on Windows. Soon, the
concept of time sharing and high utilization will be gone
from the CS dept.
\_ Actually, Professor Joseph recently ported NACHOS to Windows.
There goes the neighborhood.
\_ Why the heck are professors willing to go through all the
trouble to PORT things to Windows, and barely able to
lift a finger when it comes to the tiniest and most
bleedingly necessary maintenance programming tasks
under Unix? -brg, who only bitches because he usually
ends up doing it for them
\_ Because they know they're teaching a bunch of morons
who use the NT workstations on the 3rd floor of Soda
to log into less powerful machines only to run
Nachos and inadvertently cause a denial of service
on the cpu servers.
\_ Because they have foo and you don't,
They're big and you're small --
And there's nothing you can do about it! :P
\_ I wonder if they feel unix is obsolete?
\_ I don't see how they could make that decision informedly.
\_ Because they get tons and tons of free hardware if they
run NT systems and nothing or near nothing if they run
unix. Get Sun to start donating free hardware like Intel
is and you'll get unix based classes. About $5 or $6
million in Sun hardware would go a long way. In recent
years Intel has donated more than this. Sun is cheap so
you get NT. Unix is dead in .edu.
\_ Sun donates millions to the research side/
\_ uh, Intel donated $6 million to Cal and the machines are
nearly all running Linux. -tom
\_ You mean Solaris?
\_ Solaris x86 is out, linux is in. -tom
\_ call me a foolio, but seeing Half-Life TFC
on linux servers is all the evidence I need
\_ Wrong. The few toys handed out to students didn't cost
$6m. The bulk of them are NT machines run by UC staff.
Once again, you show you have no idea what you're talking
about and insist on demonstrating your ignorance in
public. Do yourself a favor and stop now before the next
generation of students figure it out, too.
\_ uh, I am referring to the Millennium Project, and I
personally run 30 of the machines, all running
Linux. The campus-wide cluster, for which a gigabit
backbone is being built, will be all Linux. The CS
NOW is moving from Solaris to Linux.
Now exactly who is demonstrating their ignorance? Oh I
forgot, you were too fucking wimpy to sign your name. -tom
\_ Hi tom, aren't those for the grads to use? I believe
the discussion was about _undergrad_ machines.
\_ I was responding to the idiot who said "Unix
is dead in .edu" and "because they get tons of
money if they run windows and nothing if they
run Unix." Why would Intel give a shit what OS
you're running? -tom
\_ Whoa!!! 30 whole machines!!! Wow! That's like
most of the $6m!!! tom, dude, you are the man!
With 30 whole machines you sure proved that idiot
wrong! Imagine that? Tom has 30 machines and
runs Linux on them, therefore the bulk of the
other machines *must* also be running Linux.
\_ I have been at the planning meetings, have you,
idiot? How many are YOU running? -tom
[here's my reply that was erased twice] :
\_ I was at planning meetings while you were still
in school. Didn't see you there. Anyway, I
find your 30 machine cluster very cute. I'm
proud of you, boy. You've done good. |
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