Berkeley CSUA MOTD:Entry 16024
Berkeley CSUA MOTD
 
WIKI | FAQ | Tech FAQ
http://csua.com/feed/
2025/07/12 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
7/12    

1999/6/27-28 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:16024 Activity:insanely high
6/27    So who is kidding who?  Sun withdrew from ISO because
        it did not want ISO to control Java
        \_ Bottom line: Sun invented Java, Sun owns Java, end of story.
           \_ That's fine.  They shouldn't try to pretend it's some sort
              of standard then.  If they want it to be a standard, they
              need to play by the rules of the standards bodies.
              \_ Idiot. saying "it isn't a standard unless a 'standards body'
                 owns it", is like saying "It isn't software unless it
                 is copylefted".
              \_ What part of "they own it and can do whatever they
                 want with it" don't you understand.  It's called
                 intellectual property.  They invented it, they own
                 it, it's theirs.  If we didn't have this kind of system
                 there would be no incentive to create new things.
                                \_ that's nonsense.  "sub-optimal incentive
                                   according to mainstream economic models",
                                   sure.  "No incentive", no way.  There
                                   are all kinds of reasons to create new
                                   things without exclusive govt-backed
                                   IP rights in them; there's just an
                                   argument that it's more "socially optimal"
                                   to make up stuff like copyright, patents,
                                   etc.
                 This isn't communism.
                        \_ ** Insert your bh-GNU-RMS comment here **
                          \_ At least RMS lives his beliefs.
                 \_ You didn't actually answer the previous person, who
                    merely said that Sun "shouldn't try to pretend it's
                    some sort of standard", which IS an impression that
                    their marketing has been conveying of late.  To be
                    more specific about what kind of standard we're talking
                    about: open industry standards developed through
                    standards bodies or technical working groups with
                    some kind of open participation, public comment, or
                    peer review.  Sure, Java is a Sun proprietary standard,
                    and it's cool, but it doesn't have the status of
                    something like TCP/IP or the SI.
        \_ Of course they withdrew.  Duh.  What point do you think you're
           making?
                \_ Java to die as fast as other proprietary technology.
                   \_ You mean like the way all the MS crap has done so
                      poorly as a proprietary system from top to bottom?
                      Has MS ever released a single line of code for
                      *anything*?  I want Open Bob.  I had some ideas for
                      MSBob improvements.
                        \_ MS Bob is dead!
ERROR, url_link recursive (eces.Colorado.EDU/secure/mindterm2) 2025/07/12 [General] UID:1000 Activity:popular
7/12    

You may also be interested in these entries...
2013/4/29-5/18 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Compilers] UID:54665 Activity:nil
4/29    Why were C and Java designed to require "break;" statements for a
        "case" section to terminate rather than falling-through to the next
        section?  99% of the time poeple want a "case" section to terminate.
        In fact some compilers issue warning if there is no "break;" statement
        in a "case" section.  Why not just design the languages to have
        termination as the default behavior, and provide a "fallthru;"
	...
2013/3/5-26 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:54618 Activity:nil
3/5     Three emergency Java updates in a month. Why do I have a feeling
        that the third one won't be the last one?
        \_ Bingo!
	...
2012/12/18-2013/1/24 [Computer/SW/Languages/Perl] UID:54561 Activity:nil
12/18   Happy 25th birthday Perl, and FUCK YOU Larry Wall for fucking up
        the computer science formalism that sets back compilers development
        back for at least a decade:
        http://techcrunch.com/2012/12/18/print-happy-25th-birthday-perl
        \_ I tried to learn Perl but was scared away by it.  Maybe scripting
           lanauages have to be like that in order to work well?
	...
2012/8/29-11/7 [Computer/SW/Security] UID:54467 Activity:nil
8/29    There was once a CSUA web page which runs an SSH client for logging
        on to soda.  Does that page still exist?  Can someone remind me of the
        URL please?  Thx.
        \_ what do you mean? instruction on how to ssh into soda?
           \_ No I think he means the ssh applet, which, iirc, was an applet
              that implemented an ssh v1 client.  I think this page went away
	...
2011/12/8-2012/1/10 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java, Computer/SW/Security] UID:54252 Activity:nil
12/8    Java code much worse IRL than pretty much everything else:
        http://preview.tinyurl.com/d5e46cq [ars technica]
	...
2011/4/16-7/13 [Computer/SW/Languages/Python] UID:54086 Activity:nil
4/16    Whoa, I just heard that MIT discontinued 6.001 (classic scheme)
        to 6.01. In fact, 6.00, 6.01 and 6.02 all use Python. What the
        hell? What has the world become? It's a sad sad day. SICP forever!
        \_ old story, they've ditched that shitty book and lang for a while.
        \_ I used to think scheme was cool, then I saw Ka Ping Yee's
           "Beautiful Code" class aka 61a in python, and converted.
	...
2011/2/24-4/20 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:54048 Activity:nil
2/24    Go Programming Language.  Anyone here use it?  It kind of
        reminds me of java-meets python, and well, that is fitting given it's
        a GOOG product.  What is so special about it?
        \_ as I understand it, it's a suitable OOP-y systems language with more
           structure than C, less complexity than C++, and less overhead than
           Java/Python.
	...
2010/8/8-9/7 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Languages/Web] UID:53914 Activity:nil
8/8     Trying to make a list of interesting features languages have
        touted as this whole PL field comes around, trying to see if they
        have basis in the culture of the time: feel free to add some/dispute
        1970 C, "portability"
        1980 C++, classes, oop, iterators, streams, functors, templates
             expert systems
	...
2009/12/5-26 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:53569 Activity:nil
12/4    what do people have their JAVA_HOME's set to on soda?
        \_ don't. are you trying to get sun java? It is installed, but not
           the default.  check dpkg -l and dpkg -L
           \_ I'm trying to run maven to get scala/lift.net working
              properly and it's complaining that JAVA_HOME is not set.
              \_ you probably want one of the directories in /usr/lib/jvm,
	...
2009/9/28-10/8 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus] UID:53409 Activity:nil
9/28    http://www.tiobe.com/index.php/content/paperinfo/tpci/index.html
        Java is #1!!! Followed by C, PHP, C++, Visual Basic, Perl,
        C#, Python, Javascript, then finally Ruby. The good news is
        Pascal is going waaaay back up!
        \_ C is still more popular than C++?  I feel much better about myself
           now.
	...
2009/8/7-14 [Computer/SW/Languages/C_Cplusplus, Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:53252 Activity:high
8/6     In C one can do "typedef int my_index_t;".  What's the equivalent in
        C#?  Thanks.
        \_ C#? Are you serious? Is this what the class of 2009 learn?
           \_ No.  I have to learn .NET code at work.  I am Class of '93.
           \_ python is what 2009 learns, see the motd thread about recent
              cal courses and languages
	...
2009/7/21-24 [Computer/SW/Languages/Java] UID:53168 Activity:moderate
7/20    For those who care btw, it looks like eclipse is now A Standard Tool
        at UCB ugrad cs, probably replaced emacs.  Furthermore, people get
        angry at seeing Makefiles, (since eclispe takes care of that).  I
        guess it's just a sign of the times.
        \_ The more people at my work use eclipse the less the code is
           managable in emacs.  I'm not sure which application's fault
	...