6/15    Jr level sysadmin position open at Active Software, Inc.
        See /csua/pub/jobs/Activesoftware.
        We are a preIPO startup company however we just filed our
        intent to go public on June 11th so hurry up and apply. -smurf
        \_ At this point your options will be priced close enough
           to the offering price that it really isn't the same as
           joining a real pre-IPO company. -sameer
           \_ I hate when companies reprice after you're hired but before
              they get around to issuing out the stock options.  I "lost"
              about $16/share
              \_ You should complain. You got screwed.
           \_ I bought Microsoft at market price quite a few years after it
              IPO'ed.  I'm not an employee and never had options.  That didn't
              stop me from becoming a millionaire.  You don't need to work
              your ass off at a startup early on for cheap stock options to
              become rich.  You just need to buy into a good company and have
              the patience to watch it grow over years (or even decades).
                \_ Uh huh... you did this with *what* initial cash?  You need
                   cash, patience, and a good set of companies.  M$ could just
                   as easily have tanked and you'd be fucked.  And what
                   happens when the baby boomers start pulling their money in
                   a few years to pay for their retirements?  The stock market
                   is *not* free money.
                        \_ Patience? Fuck that! I want to be rich now!