5/3     So we won nine straight rugby championships. Why can't we own any
        other sport like we own rugby?
        \_ "we"?  "we" won a sporting event?  No.  What happened has
           absolutely *nothing* to do with a geeky nerd like you unless you
           have a friend on the rugby team.  Why do you see the sports teams
           as part of "we"?  You think the sports teams see *you* as part of
           anything related to them?  I think not.  Sports loyalty is idiotic.
           \_ Maybe he is part of the team.
              \_ From his general whine about Cal sports as a whole, I think
                 not.  Back to Reading Comp. 1A.
           \_ We, the school Cal Berkeley, won nine straight rugby
              championships.  Get a clue.
              \_ the whole school?  Wow, thats a big team!
              \_ Sigh... so how early did this brainwashing start?
                 \_ I think the point is, the use of "we" can extend to
                    anything school related. We received X nobel prizes.
                    We achieved this or that. It does not imply personal
                    achievement or involvement.
                    \_ The counter point being that there concept of "we" in
                       this case is false and misleading.  There is no "we".
           \_ I'm truly sorry for your close-mindedness. I am not deluded
              enough to actually believe I had anything at all to do with
              their championships. I just enjoy sports and, yeah, so what
              if it's idiotic to feel a tingle of pride and satisfaction
              when one of University of California Golden Bears' athletic
              teams win? To each his own.
              \_ How high is your horse?  I'm not close-minded.  It's a simple
                 truth.  Cal sports has *nothing* to do with the rest of the
                 school.  Tell you what, go check out the football field when
                 the Bears are out there warming up.  They're not human.  At
                 best, they're only vaguely humanoid.  If they're lucky, the
                 combined SAT scores of the entire defensive line is about
                 half your SAT math score.  Their GPAs are all higher than
                 yours though.  They're not students, they're not human, they
                 have little, if anything, to do with you or Cal or anything
                 in the same world as the rest of the campus.
                 \_ As long as we're in the lame arguments territory, can't
                    we say csua geeks are non-human too? Geeks tend to live
                    in their own little world. They get erections from xtrek.
                    No social grace. Like I said, lame argument.
                    \_ Go watch the football players.  You'll feel more human.