11/6    To the Intel workplace poster-- Intel may suck, but DEBACLE SUCKS
        EVEN MORE!!! Word of advice to you new grads: DO NOT, DO NOT work
        for Debacle, Slimebase, and InferiorX no matter how well they pay
        & how good a facility they have. 99% of the jobs there are for
        stupid|average intelligent|brain-dead people.
        \_ ew, databases has got to be the dullest field to get into.
        \_ That's why you get a job at Scient.  Good atmosphere, great
           people, and challenging assignments.  Check out their site at
           http://www.scient.com  They've already had great reviews in the
           Wall Street Journal and the New York Post.  For a 10 month
           old company that's amazing.
           \_ It is not a coincidence that db jobs are one of the highest
              paying jobs in the software industry. It is definitely NOT a
              glamorous job... no, it is dry and stupid. Anyone stupid
              who has a lot of patience can do quite well in a db industry.
              Although it is a stupid job, someone has to do it (like sewer
              engineering... not glamorous, but someone has to do it). So
              remember kids... sewer engineers may get 6 digit figures, but
              do you really want to do it?
        \_ How different are they from Viant (or formerly known as Silicon
           Valley Internet Partner)? I knew they were found by the same
           \_ Difference in focus.  Scient is dedicated to eBusiness and
              does anything and all things related to eBusiness.  Also,
              Scient is interested in Long term relationships, not just
              one time deals.  Plus, Scient is looking at $15M in business
              in year 1 alone.  This has never been done before, and we
              are 2-3 years ahead of ANYONE.  email brianl for more info.
              -- brianl
           people. I have to warn people who are thinking about stock
           options offered by those small consulting companies: not only
           they offer very few shares, also the shares might get dilluted
           when they issue more shares. Only the founders and a few people
           on the top + VC people get the money. Plus, challenging
           assignemnt usually means not living at home, travelling 365 days
           a week. Consulting is not as glamous as the info. session and
           the sales pitch by the consultants.
           \_ Difference in focus.  Scient is dedicated to eBusiness and
              does anything and all things related to eBusiness.  Also,
              Scient is interested in Long term relationships, not just
              one time deals.  Plus, Scient is looking at $15M in business
              in year 1 alone.  This has never been done before, and we
              are 2-3 years ahead of ANYONE.  email brianl for more info.
              -- brianl
        \_ I interned @ Sybase. Lemme tell you, it is not a friendly
           atmosphere. What's the point of cubicles when you get those
           fold-out blinds covering the entrances? Everyone seems to be
           in their own little world. What's worse, group memebers are
           not always even in the same aisle or group of aisles.
           \_ Sounds bad, but why is it a problem that your group members are
              not nearby in this day and age (i.e. phones and e-mail)? --dim
              \_ Furthermore, if your team isn't right next to you, then
                 you can get up and walk around sometimes, even meeting
                 people outside of your team.  This is a problem?
                 \_ I guess my point is, where I work now, we often have
                    spontaneous, informal meetings in the aisles. That's
                    hard to do if everyone's spread out. And with the blinds,
                    people huddle themselves within. You can't meet people
                    that way. Also, I rarely saw anyone walking around
                 \_ I guess my point is, where I work now, we often have
                    spontaneous, informal meetings in the aisles. That's
                    hard to do if everyone's spread out. And with the blinds,
                    people huddle themselves within. You can't meet people
                    that way. Also, I rarely saw anyone walking around
                    Sybase, at least in Atrium.
        \_ I WORKED at Sybase. The general rule there is trust no one.
           Everyone is out to look after #1; themselves..
        \_ brainl's troll erased. Brain washed employees are banned from wall
                    Sybase, at least in Atrium.
        \_ I WORKED at Sybase. The general rule there is trust no one.
           Everyone is out to look after #1; themselves..
           \_ One more Scient plug.  I work at Scient.  This is the BEST
              environment to work in.  No cubicles.  Everything is open.
              Everyone gets the same view from our 28th floor office in
              SF.  We all work together.  We win as a team, we lose as a
              team.  There is no "i" in team.  Everyone helps everyone
              else.
                \_ Is this guy for real?
                  \_ It must be flame bait.  But then again, I know alot
                     of dysfunctional CS grads...
                     \_ Which begs the question: are you dysfunctional for
                        entering CS, or were you turned dysfunctional b/c
                        of CS?
                \_ Do YOU think for yourself or everyone thinks for you?