6/30    I want to do some unix GUI programming. What's the difference
        between Xlib and Motif windows programming?  Is one easier
        than the other and is one more commonly used?
        \_ Didn't Sun put in millions of $$$ promoting Java???
           No one even suggest it?
        \_ Motif is cooler looking and the "standard", but non-free, so
                most hobbiests stick to Xlib
           \_ How about the MIT Athena toolkit?
           \_ there's plenty of X toolkits you can use: gtk, Xaw, Xaw3d and
              so on.  You learn more about X with Xlib .  Is this a learning
              project or an effert to get working code?
        \_ Use tk, it's much easier than either, and runs on Mac/Win as well.
           \_ gtk! http://www.gimp.org/gtk http://www.gnome.org -mogul
              \_ Is gtk like tk?  Does gtk interface to tcl?  What are
                 the benefits of using gtk instead of tcl?  I checked teh
                 gtk FAQ, but apparently these questions are not frequently
                 asked.  Thanks. -emin
                 \_ yes gtk is just like tk. in fact the 'g' in gtk simply
                    means 'graphical'.
                    \_ What do you mean?  Tk is a graphical toolkit.  How
                       is gtk different, and what advantages does it have
                       over tk?  I think tk is pretty cool and unless there
                       is an advantage in using gtk I would rather stick
                       with a tested, trusted, well-supported package like tk.
                       --emin
                 \_ YOU SHOULD USE GTK INSTEAD OF TK BECAUSE GTK IS WAY KEWL
                    AND IT USES THE GNU PUBLIC LICENSE SO ITS REALLY FREE,
                    FREE, FREE SOFTWARE THE WAY THAT LINUS AND RMS AND GOD
                    INTENDED, NOT LIKE TK THAT USES THE EVIL BEREKELEY-STYLE
                    LICENSE THAT WOULD LET PEOPLE WRITE SOFTWARE IN TCL AND
                    THEN SELL IT FOR MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!1    FREE FREE FREE
                    SOFTWARE RULES, DOWN WITH ALL NOT-COMPLETELY-FREE SOFTWARE
                    CONSPIRACIES.  THANK YOU.
                    \_ YEA! FUK ENE1 THT WANTZ 2 MAIK MUNEY FRUM THEYRE
                       WERK!!@!!!11
                       \_ I thought the GPL only requires source release. It
                          doesn't forbid commercial use, per se. Just that the
                          bastard capitalist coders can't tolerate having
                          the public see how bad their code really is.
        \_ Xlib is lower-level, and would require more work to get anything
           good-looking or useful.  If you're the type that would write
           something in assembly for performance, then program away in Xlib!
           If you want ease of coding, use a toolkit library.
           \_ I tried to get an O'Rielly book but I'm not sure which one
              to start out with.  There's a whole series of X books.
              \_ "O'Reilly".  (if you can't remember that, just say "ORA")