1/22    Earthlink is offering 60-70K for web designers in Pasadena (Southern
        California).  I read in Time Magazine last year that Stanfurd grads
        in the "Web Design Industry" were being offered and making 75-100K
        straight outta college.  Should I look for greener pastures, or count
        my blessings and send my resume?
        \_ 100% pure bullshit.  At Cnet, designers get paid much less than
           Software Engineers.  I have an MSCS ftom Stanfurd, and I wasn't
           offered more than 70k.
       \_  Forget web design.  get yer MSCE degree and then you'll rewl.
        \_ So what is the average starting salary for Cal CS?
                \_ Depends on how good your blow job skill is
        \_ depends on what the working conditions are like I guess.  If they
          make ya put in 50-60 hour weeks, or be on call or whatever they
           do (I don't know) then it might really suck.  But if you don't
        \_ You should just transfer to stanford before it's too late.
           have a life now, it prolly doesnt matter so GO FOR IT!!
        \_ You should just transfer to stanfurd before it's too late.
           That way, you can also cheer for a team that actually wins games.
        \_ What "Time" meant to say was that some Stanford grads managed
           to get such offers. I'm sure some UCB grads did, too. It's not
           very realistic to assume the median salary was 75-100K
           straight out of school (which implies no experience, which is
           probably not the case). I work and live in Pasadena, and know
           people who were employed by Earthlink. They all got outstanding
           offers. Most of them aren't there anymore. Draw your own
           conclusions. I should say that none of them had jobs as web
           designers, though. Earthlink can be cool, but it's high
           pressure and high stress. Send your resume. If you don't get
           the job, then this is all moot anyhow --dim
        \_ Web designers are so over-rated.  Anyone one can be a web designer
           regardless of w or w/o CS degree.  Don't need to know cs160's or
           cs170's.
                \_ I think that CS160 would be quite useful for WebWeenies.
        \_ Maybe they meant to say web developers instead of designers.
           Web developers, straight out of college, depending on their talents,
           can get into the $75K range.  Also...if it's HR (or non-technical
           people who work off of checklists and go by college degrees),
           strange decisions can easily be made.  IT professionals straight
           out of college can make anywhere between $35K and $80K. A wide
           range, I know, but it all depends on the skills you pick up. --chris
                \_ Oh, what's the difference?  Still WebWeenies.
                   \_ imho...web development is a large category, but
                      the way I see it, it refers to web _development_ which
                      means stuff beyond adobe photoshop and graphics..and
                      more like C, Perl, and JAVA coding around databases like
                      SQL, Oracle, and Sybase with a web outcome.  Companies
                      pay top dollar for these skills.  --chris