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        http://csua.org/u/74h [this one looks overloaded]
        Pix of the Iraqi POW torture.  One of the captions descrbies the
        picture as a man who was beaten to death by Americans.  That's
        BS, right?  Please tell me that's not true.
        \_ there are always things like this that happen in war. vietnam,
           korea, WWII, panama, etc. why don't you think "americans" are
           capable of this? when ppl are shooting at you, cursing you,
           and generally hate you for "liberating" them while shooting up
           their neighborhood, family, and friends...well, somethings
           gotta give. war isn't rational...it's irrational. even your
           friendly US police beats suspects, prisoners, etc. i've seen
           this with my own eyes.
           \_ But look at the friendly soliders smiling! It's all just fun and
              games.
           \_ US thrashed a city of 300k, killing hundreds because a small
              group of people killed and mutilated 4 US mercenaries, so
              does the above mean Iraqis should kill a few hundred
              Americans in revenge?
              \_ The rest of the population didn't help find them.  It's
                 called "aiding and abeiting."
                 \_ Yeah but just because a mob of a few hundred did this,
                    should you trash a city of 300k?  You don't think any
                    of those people will become terrorists?
                 \_ Given the number of unsolved murders in big cities, most
                    of the US should be firebombed....
                    \_ Most unsolved murders in the US don't have multiple
                       pictures of the perpetrators pasted in every paper
                       in the world.
                       \_ You've seen pictures? URLp?
                          \_ I saw the live film on TV.  You think pictures of
                             these assholes don't exist?  Are you for real?
                             \_ You saw a mob after the fact playing up for
                                the cameras. You didn't see these guys actually
                                mutilated on camera, did you?
                               \_ Hey!  For all we know John Kerry could have
                                   done it.
              \_ Well, that's the reality of war. The US has no choice, being
                 an occupying power they have to crack down on insurgency even
                 if innocents are killed. It's not like troops just go around
                 randomly killing passers-by. Do you think Saddam was nice to
                 insurgents under his rule?
                 \_ Seriously.  Do you think ANY regime that lasted long was
                    nice to insurgents?  If you don't stomp them, insurgents
                    tend to become revolutionaries.
                    \_ Exactly.  Nothing wrong with Saddam stomping the
                       Shitte uprising either.  Those dudes just want
                       a Shiite dominated theocracy kind of like Taliban.
                       The soccer stadium mass grave in Falluja is probably
                       comparable to the Shitte mass graves now.
        \_ "The Pentagon was really very concerned about broadcasting the
           pictures, and I think they had good reason," said 60 Minute
           executive producer Jeff Fager. "The idea that there are hostages
           being held in Iraq concerned us quite a bit in terms of broadcasting
           them. It wouldn't take long to get on Al-Jazeera at all." -BBC
           "But it was agreed for the photos to be shown this week because
           other news outlets had obtained similar pictures." -UK Daily Mail
           "Arab television stations led their newscasts Friday with
           photographs of Iraqi prisoners being humiliated by U.S. military
           police ... Al-Jazeera introduced the pictures by saying they
           showed the 'immoral practices' of Iraq's occupation forces." -AP
           Michael Jackson as lead photo -Major U.S. news sites
           \_ Humiliated?  If we hear one more time about some dimwit bitching
              about humiliation I say we nuke the place to glass and be done
              with it.  After all the mass murders, gassing, rape, and other
              abuses from the Saddam dictatorship, these bozos are whining
              about humiliation and how suicide bombs and mortars are the
              only answer to save their precious honor?  They have no honor or
              they would've killed Hussein decades ago.
              \_ Is this a troll?
                 \_ yeah, I can't tell either
                 \_ The Troll Defense.  When the nail is hit right on the head
                    quickly allude to it's possibly being a "troll" and hope
                    nobody takes a second to read it more carefully.
                    \_ now this is a troll.  The correct way to respond is for
                       op to just say "yes, it's a troll", or "no, it's not".
                       \_ no, it's not.  --op of that sub-thread
           \_ Don't worry, Pentagon has arrested at least 6 soldiers who
              leaked the photo and they will be sent to court martial.
              Cameras of any kind are now banned unless explicitly authorized
              by the high command.
              \_ It's comforting to see The Pentagon take aggressive action to
                 prevent this sort of thing from coming to light in the future.
                 \_ Hey, it worked for the coffins.
                    \_ Out of sight, out of our fucking minds.
                       \_ Idiot.  The rest of us don't need to see coffins to
                          know young Americans are dying in Iraq almost every
                          day.
        \_ This is merely the tip of the iceberg. These "stupid"
           soldiers took these pictures because they think its fun,
           not wrong. You bet no pictures will be taken when they
           actually do torture/rape them. This is merely humiliation,
           not torture.
           \_ I think the young man anally raped by an interrogator
              would probably think different, but then again, there
              are no photos of that particular incident, so maybe
              that makes your point.
              \_ Raped?  URL?