4/26 Yay! China blocks Hong Kong vote in 2007-2008.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/27/international/asia/27HONG.html
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\_ Yay?
\_ Maybe a sort of "I told you so?"
\_ British ruled Hong Kong for 150 years, i wonder why no one
ever complains about taxation without representation.
\_ The western media/people does not want to hear the truth, they
simply want every opportunity to bash China. You don't hear
about the cry for the Brits to return the land they conquored
during their colonial period do you? They returned most of it,
but there are still areas they don't return because they've
got bigger guns. Well, China got bigger guns, so cheer for them!
\_ Repression in the past is not justification for repression
in the present or the future.
\_ So what, it's their country, they can do whatever the fuck they want,
just like we can do whatever the fuck we want in our country and no
one can say otherwise. Heck, we can do whatever the fuck we want
around the world and no one can do shit about it either. Stop
critizing about what China does on its own while we goes around the
world and killing innocent lives for our SUV. Just shut the fuck up!
I am sick and tired of hearing this shit.
\_ Do we need to have a completely morally clean before we can
criticise the loss of democracy in HK? I think that we can
agree that this is unequivocally a bad thing. --jeffwong
\_ Precisely, big boss goes around the street shooting people, and
say to the little boss, Hey, you can't j-walk!!
\_ I hear what you are saying but consider that some of us don't
give a rat's ass what sort of gov't Hong Kong ends up with. I
am just surprised to hear you being happy to have the PRC
take more control over your life, unless perhaps you are
not HK chinese and gloating, maybe? -- ulysses
\_ Really, you don't give a rat's ass? You are pretty cold.
Would you give a rat's ass 60 years ago? -- ilyas
\_ Say what? -- ulysses
\_ You said: "Some of us don't give a rat's ass what
sort of [government] Hong Kong ends up with." Either
you were speaking for someone else needlessly, or you
were talking about yourself. Either way, I find this
attitude of disregard for the fate of others rather
cold. The example I gave involved the time 60 years
ago when there was some armed controversy over what
sort of government most of the world was going to end
up with. Similar disregard regarding those times
would be seen as rather cold as well. -- ilyas
\_ In other words, you will be willing to let whoever rule
California, be it the Iraqies, Japanese, Korean,
Soviet, etc, as long as they do a better job than the US?
If some foreign power rips California from US, you'll bet
50+ years from now, we will not hestitate to take it back
any way we can, even though we might be in shitter position.
\_ Is rule by a foreign power still the issue in HK? I
wasn't aware the UK still held that particular
territory. I was under the impression that the issue was
one of how much autonomy HK is to have but perhaps I
was mistaken. To extend your analogy, though, would I
wish the US to re-take CA had CA, in those 50 years,
come to develop its own autonomous regime that I
regarded as less repressive than that in the US?
No I would not. As a Californian, I would seek to
preserve the new, independent CA. -- ulysses
\_ You are almost certainly describing Taiwan, not HK.
Please get your chicom trolls straight.
\_ Taiwan was a situation where there was an existing
Chinese government. The Communists overthrew the
government, and the old government fled to Taiwan.
Both sides said they would eventually take out the
other side; neither did, and it's been 50+ years.
It's inaccurate, probably wrong, to say that the
situation described ("some foreign power rips
California from US") matches Taiwan. A more accurate
analogy is if the Democrats overthrew Dubya, and
all the Republicans fled to Texus and seceded from
the Union, that persisted for 50+ years, and then
Pres. Chelsea Clinton was threatening to reunite
Texas with the USA.
\_ At the same time, the Soviet says will defend Texas
if the US decides to take it by force. I like
this anology, good job!
\_ Pres.? I think you mean dictator. Let's not
pretend the PRC is a representative government.
\_ Wow, this is so clueless and out of perspective, I have no
idea how to respond to it. The sky is green! Green I say!
\_ PURPLE!
\_ Yeah, as if you have a lot of clues about what's best for the
Chinese people. Ever been to China?
\_ Yes.
\_ Amazing seeing how people who has never left their nest think
they know what's best for other places in the world. I know some
one like that, our commander in chief!! Yeah, who gives a rats
about the Iraqis, I know what's best for them and it's a puppet
government under my control. Too bad we can't do that to China,
but you can't blame us for not trying!
\_ Yeah, China into 50 pieces is good for the US and bad for
the them, but who cares!
\_ You could use the same argument to say that Beijing doesn't
know what's best for HK.
\_ I don't think it applies. HK is in China's backyard and
historically was part of China.
\_ Hong Kong is almost a completely different country.
Hong Kong was only last part of China in 1899 and
nobody lived there. The people of Hong Kong grew
up in a completely different education system
and without all of the communist ideological baggage
that they try to force feed you in the Mainland.
They barely speak the same language and they
have different writing systems. Also, the
PEOPLE of HK have never been ruled from Beijing.
--jeffwong
\_ "No body lived there"?? Then what the hell did the
Brits wants it for after the Opium War? Oh I get
it, the Brits are so nice, they took a waste land
from China and build a city on it.
\_ Actually, that's exactly what they did.
You probably need to understand the
difference between Hong Kong, Kowloon,
and the New Territories.
\_ Don't be an idiot, and cut it with the red herrings
already. The transfer the Hong Kong to China involved
a promise on the Chinese side to give HK a "high
degree of autonomy." Now China is trying to
backtrack. Britian has a perfect right to complain,
China is breaking a treaty with Britain! Not to
mention, I may not know what's "best for the
Chinese" but I can be pretty dang sure it's not
concentration camps and a police state. As for "never
left the nest" I spent two years in South Korea. I'm
not saying this gives me credentials on Chinese
govenment, but your insult is completely baseless.
-jrleek
\_ quote from article:
... the British foreign office minister for China and Hong Kong,
called in China's ambassador in London to complain about the
move, saying in a statement that it was "inconsistent with the
`high degree of autonomy' which Hong Kong is guaranteed under the
Joint Declaration." The declaration, by Britain and China in
1984, cleared the way for Hong Kong's transfer to Chinese rule. |
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