4/20 http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm
How can Wolfowitz claim with a straight face that he has
not been planning to attack Iraq for years?
\_ This whole WMD was a brilliant republican smokescreen for
the masses. Now another republican wants to reintroduce
the draft. If that happens, let's see how many of you
draft-age neo-conservative diehard republicans will go,
and who won't. Prob mommy and daddy will know someone who
knows someone and you'll get to stay home even though "you
wanted to go".
\_ I don't know about brilliant. I don't think anyone believed
it. All the people I know who wanted to invade Iraq
(including myself) had better reasons. As for the draft,
I've heard that out of far more democrats than republicans.
It also seems pretty clueless to assert that all
republicans have connections to get them out of a draft...
\_ You don't think *anyone* believed the WMD thing? are you
really that dumb? Fine, I believe you and your freinds didn't.
Neither did I. But Joe Sixpack not only believed the WMD
line, they believed Iraq was responsible for 9/11.
\_ Ok, perhaps *anyone* is a little strong, if there
are people dumb enough in the world to believe in
Wicca, I suppose someone might have believed the WMD
thing. And I'll believe that Joe Six-pack believed
it, as stated by the President. But not this "There
are big piles WMD everywhere in Iraq, and we'll just
waltz in and find them!" THAT was a retarded strawman
set up by the Dems.
\_ "We know where they are. They're in the area around
Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north
somewhat." --Donald Rumsfeld, 30 March 2003
\_ Which is "We know where they are. They're somewhere
inside Iraq."
\_ The UNSCOM team repeatedly asked the US to share
their intel with them to help them in their search.
Did we give them anything? "We know where they
are" is very different from "We know there are
stockpiles somewhere in Iraq."
\_ no, it was set up by e.g. Donald "we know where they
are" Rumsfeld and his merry men.
\_ Wasn't it something like over 75% of Americans believe
in a literal Hell, but only .1% believe they will end up
there?
\_ There was one very loud and opinionated Bush backer
who posted repeatedly in the motd that "everyone"
believed that there were WMD in Iraq.
"Ok, asshole, back here in the real world, the
entire world is on public record as believing there
there were WMD in Iraq in the 198 post-inspector era.
Thank you."
Don't you remember him?
\_ Yeah. Officially, the CIA thought Iraq probably
had WMD -- there was lots of circumstancial evidence
but no smoking gun. Cheney, however, departed from
this and said Iraq had them. You can expect the
rest of the world probably felt what the CIA felt.
Tenet, though, I don't know where he got "slam dunk"
case on Iraq, though.
\_ Why are you picking on Wicca? It's no more ludicrous
than any other religion.
\_ You, my friend, don't know much about religion.
\_ Arrogant fuckwad.
\_ Ok, prove me wrong. What about Wicca is more
ridiculous than most other religions?
\_ the purpose of religion is to enslave and
brainwash the masses and to make money
for the leaders. hence succesful religions
include christianity, islam, judaism,
and scientology. Wicca is a failure.
\_ That's just one category of religions.
Other religions like Buddhism, Hinduism,
and ancient Greek/Roman religion didn't
have greedy priesthoods at heart.
\_ heh heh heh .. yea right.
\_ well, ok nevermind.
\_ Read up on medieval Tibet theocracy
sometime. -- ilyas
\_ or talk to anyone who's dealt
first hand with the horseshit
politics and ego tripping that
goes on among the cult leaders
in a typical American Zen monestary.
\_ Fer starters: The origin. Most religions
at least attempt to trace their origin to
some authority. "So-and-so communicated
with god and learned this:" or "So and so
WAS God and said this.." etc. Wicca is
just some people who thought druids were
cool, and made up so rituals that might
be sort-of like what druids did. Maybe
admitting that just makes them honest,
but personally I think it makes them
silly.
\_ Not to mention, he's right on every point.
\_ Except for the whole "containment not working" thing.
\_ I'm not sure by what mesure containment could have
been considered working, except that he didn't attack
Kuwait again.
\_ No WMD. Not a threat to his neighbors. That is what
is usually described as "working."
\_ MASS GRAVES! GASSED OWN PEOPLE!
\_ Give me a timestamp, and let's see how we felt
about the regime at the time.
\_ Even conservatives say that although the reasons
were just, the execution on post-war Iraq has
been terrible.
\_ Come on guys, if anything needs its own motd
shorthand its the ranting about mass graves
and gassing of the Kurds. Its certainly more
common than any true threads about RIDE BIKE
or ED IS THE STANDARD. In conclusion, MASS
GRAVES!
\_ Our friend in the fight against the Ayatollah.
\_ New York Senator Charles Rangel, a Democrat, wants to reintroduce
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