4/16    And the scary part is, he's the smart one:

        "If the Democratic policies had been pursued over the last two or
         three years, the kind of tax increases that both Kerry and Edwards
         have talked about, we would not have had the kind of job growth
         that we've had." -- Vice President Dick Cheney, on http://pogothemonkey.com
        \_ Yep, smarter than you apparently.
        \_ He's right; if we'd had the Kerry/Edwards tax plan, we'd've had
           less hoarding by the rich and more money in the market, meaning
           a significantly higher job growth.
           \_ Huh? Who are you replying to, and what are you trying to say?
                \_ The point is that most people know that the Bush admin is
                   the first since Hoover to lose jobs during the term.  If
                   Cheney claims that that is "job growth" it's comical.
                   \_ And like Hoover they're taking flak for an economy
                      that couldn't possiably be their fault.
                        \_ No one is talking about taking flak for an economy.
                           This is about Cheney believing that job LOSSES is
                           Job GROWTH.  It's really simple.
                      \_ They're responsible for some part of it, and the
                         policies chosen to address it. They can't dodge the
                         deficit.
                         \_ You know the great depressions depth and length
                            is largely due to FDR, right?  Also, Cheney's
                            point is that it would have been worse (if
                            approached in an FDR like fashion.)  Not
                            to meantion, the unemployment rate is pretty
                            friggin' low.
                            \_ But implying that Kerry/Edwards policy == FDR is
                               just flat false, plus referring to "job growth"
                               when jobs were lost is also false.
                               \_ I'm just saying that we've seen "tax in
                                  time of need" style econ, and it don't
                                  fly.  As for job growth, why does Cheney
                                  have to be refering to exaclty the time
                                  from when Bush took office, and not, say
                                  from the depth of the recession?
                                  \_ "tax in time of need" = red herring
                            \_ How did FDR prolong the great depression?
                      \_ "couldn't possiably [sic] be their fault" is extreme
                         and likely incorrect, with the monetary cost of the
                         Iraq war and psychological effect on the nation --
                         and with the increasingly supportable position that
                         the Iraq war was not necessary.
                         \_ Ok "couldn't possibly be their fault in a world
                            where time passes in a linear fashion."
                            \_ I'm sure you're making a point here, but I
                               don't understand what you're trying to say.
                               \_ Sorry, I'm saying: The bad economy
                                  preceeded the Iraq war, and there is no
                                  evidence to show that the economy
                                  was affected by it.
                                  \_ It goes without saying that the Iraq
                                     war had no effect on the economy before
                                     the Iraq war was started.
                                     You are saying there is no evidence
                                     to show that today's economy has been
                                     affected by the Iraq war?
                                     \_ Why do you HATE AMERICA???