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2004/4/5-6 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:13021 Activity:high
4/5     Broke the 600 mark..
        \_ What's the number counting all contractors?
           \_ We don't count civilians.
              \_ Of course the casualty numbers look better if you omit
                 civilians, armed or not, but it's not really honest.
                 \_ Isn't there some website that counts all casualties?
                    I've heard that the new body armor keeps people alive,
                    but there are many more amputees compared to gulf war I
                    \_ It relies on left-biased media reports.
                    \_ "Bring it on!" -gwb
                    \_ Body armor?  Why do we allow body armor?  Doesn't that
                       make the death totals lower?
           \_ ^contractors^mercenaries.
        \_ Another 10,000 and we'll be near what Saddam did to his own people
           every year....  We should reinstall him.  He was much more
           efficient at this whole killing thing than we are.
           \_ No matter how many times you repeat this sort of argument, it
              just doesn't hold water.  Sorry.
              \_ Why not?  Shouldn't we minimize human suffering, mr. bleeding
                 heart?  Or did you suddenly become a racist american
                 jingoistic imperialist swine who thinks american lives are
                 suddenly more important than iraqi lives?
                 \_ The war was justified on a false premise.  Our leaders
                    misled us and probably themselves in a single-minded
                    quest to "get Saddam," and in the process cheapened
                    the sacrifice of every American soldier that dies for
                    that cause.
                    \_ Even assuming you are right... how does this invalidate
                       the 'minimize human suffering' bit?  Your hatred for our
                       leaders is blinding you to what's right anyways.
                       \_ It's laudable to free a coutry from a violent tyrant.
                          We could have started with a country that has a
                          populace that would be more welcoming, one with a
                          less fractious ethnic makeup, or one that other
                          countries would help us out with.  We did the right
                          thing for the wrong reasons, and under the wrong
                          circumstances.
                 \_ How many Iraqis have we killed this year? I heard
                    it was 10,000+. By your reckoning, we are more
                    efficient at killing Iraqis than SH was.
                    \_ Yeah, we're also way better at getting Americans killed
                       by Iraqis than Saddam was.  How many Americans have been
                       killed by Iraq-sponsored terrorism when Saddam was in
                       power?  A handful of tourists in Israel maybe?
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