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2004/3/29-30 [Politics/Domestic/Election] UID:12913 Activity:kinda low
3/29    Kerry self-imploding. Haha. 'faith but no deeds' about Bush
        then gets kicked out of Catholic church by Bishop because
        Kerry has no deeds that are Catholic.
        \_ he should quote scripture "remove log from own eye before
           removing spinter from GWBs"
        \_ I'm just waiting for Kerry to say he's a metrosexual
        \_ Who says it's about Bush? It was a scripture quote within a church
           where no funds were collected. The Bush-Cheney campaign is way too
           paranoid. And you obviously have no idea of what the RCC considers
           good deeds. Sigh, Christians. So ignorant of what they stand for,
           so misguided. No wonder your God has spurned you.
           \_ so "current administration" != Bush? during an election?
           yeah right moron. also, I guess the Bishop has no clue
           either, since he's the one that said Kerry can't take
           Communion in the Bishop's entire state.
           \_ he said ""our present national leadership.", that sure
           isn't Bush..
        \_ Kerry's pro-choice stance has been known for years.  The RCC's
           position on abortion has been known for years.  The RCC is trying
           to have an influence on American politics; a Catholic Senator stood
           up against this, and now you're calling this a self-implosion?
           This is a fine show of his moral character, and it stands in sharp
           contrast to Bush's lip-service to the Religious Right.  Faith but
           no works, indeed.
           \_ wow. never believed how blind people are. america is going
              into the dumper soon
              \_ soon?
              \_ Yes, it's amazing that conservative Christians can be duped
                 into thinking Bush is with them when he has as much chance
                 of getting an anti-gay marriage amendment passed as they do
                 of being taken seriously.  The piper leading the blind....
           \_ I am not an expert on theology, but can you be a pro-choice
              catholic? -- ilyas
              \_ http://suewidemark.com/prochoice-catholic.htm
              \_ Most Catholics are pro-life but most Catholics I know are
                 pro-choice. You can disagree with Vatican dogma and not be
                 any less Catholic. I don't know if the same is true of, say,
                 being Seven Day Adventist or Mormon though. -- ulysses
                 \_ But see, I don't understand.  The Pope, according to
                    Catholics, is the divine representative here on this Earth.
                    Questioning his dictates is questioning God.  Wouldn't that
                    make you ... a bad, sinful Catholic? -- ilyas
                    \_ Perhaps, but you'd still be Catholic.  You're only not
                       a Catholic (of your own free will) if the Pope
                       excommunicates you.
                 \_ there are liberal and conservative catholics.
                    Liberal catholics are those who don't really practice
                    Catholicism and are just borrowing the name, like Kerry.
                    \_ So the only true Catholics are the ones who follow
                       Mel Gibson's brand of pre-Vatican II Catholicism?
                       \_ there are a lot of Orthodox Catholics out there.
                          \_ http://godhatesshrimp.com
                             \_ irrelevant
        \_ do you have the URL?
        \_ Do you really think that The Bible belongs to the GOP?
        \_ no, but GWB didn't use scripture to tear down opponent
         like Kerry does, is Kerry above us all? He's perfect in
        his religion. *cough*
        \_ all in all, Kerry said he has freedom of choice, and his
        answere is "f$ck you pope, I can do whatever i want"
        \_ i dunno, he went skiing on Sunday instead of going to mass.
        \_ One thing about Catholics is that they represent a broad spectrum
           of voters. You have gay Catholics, conservative Catholics, etc.
                                \_ aka Priests
                                   \_ isn't that the Epsicopalian bishop?
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First, the pro-choice label numbs our moral sensitivity because it masks the fact that anyone really is for abortion and diverts our attention from the act itself. Secondly, the idea of being pro-choice seems to appeal to Americans who cherish freedom and the idea of being free to choose rather than being forced to do anything. In arguing against this pro-choice position, one must first focus on the heart of the choicea child. Proceeding from a purely scientific approach, we know that when conception occurs, a new and unique human being is created. Moreover, from that moment of conception, the child continues to develop and grow; We find in sacred Scripture testimony to the sanctity of life in the womb: The Lord said to the mother of Sampson, As for the son you will conceive and bear, no razor shall touch his head, for this boy is to be consecrated to God from the womb Jgs 13:5. The Lord spoke to Jeremiah, Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I dedicated you, a prophet to the nations I appointed you Jer 1:5. For Christians, the sanctity of life in the womb and the belief that this truly is a person is further corroborated by the Incarnation: Mary conceived by the power of the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, the true God, entered this world becoming also true man. Even though Jesus was still in the womb of His blessed mother, St. John the Baptist who was also in the womb rejoiced at the presence of the Lord. Would anyone dare suggest Jesus was not a person in the womb of His mother? Little wonder that the Didache The teachings of the Twelve Apostles - the first manual of doctrine, liturgical laws and morals, written about the year 80 ADwe find the moral prohibition, You shall not kill by abortion the fruit of the womb and you shall not murder the infant already born. Given that the heart of the choice involves a unique, human person, the choice of action becomes clear: to preserve and safeguard the life of this person in the womb or to destroy it. Since this is a person, the latter choice does not involve simply a termination of a pregnancy or the removal of a fetus; To say one is pro-choice in this matter is no different from saying one is pro- choice for apartheid, Nazi concentration camps or Jim Crow segregation lawsI am personally against it, but everyone should choose. Pope John Paul II said, Anyone can see that the alternative here is only apparent. It is not possible to speak of the right to choose when a clear moral evil is involved, when what is at stake is the commandment, Do not kill! Here, sharing in the cross of our Lord becomes a reality without question. In these cases, we as members of the Church must support both the mother and the child through our prayers and by opening our hearts, homes and wallets to their needs. Saunders is president of Notre Dame Institute and associate pastor of Queen of Apostles Parish, both in Alexandria. This article appeared in the January 19, 1995 issue of The Arlington Catholic Herald. Courtesy of the Arlington Catholic Herald diocesan newspaper of the Arlington VA diocese. For subscription information, call 1-800-377-0511 or write 200 North Glebe Road, Suite 607 Arlington, VA 22203.
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