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3/24    Kansas City Kerry - at 1971 meeting where plans to assasinate
        US Senators were discussed.
        http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=6331
        \_ Gave up on the Drudge Report intern rumor, eh?
           I see you found an even more respectable publication
           to follow.
           \_ http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=37706
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All agree, however, that Kerry was not involved in the discussions and would never have approved of such a plan. Nevertheless, the Kerry campaign is eager to distance itself from one of VVAWs most notorious episodes. Now that the evidence of his attendance is overwhelming , the campaign is trying to chalk up its earlier denials to faulty memory. Late last week Kerry spokesman David Wade conceded that Kerry had been there, but clung to the contention that the senator simply didnt remember the meeting. Wades description of the Kansas City meeting as a historical footnote was too clever by half - if the meeting and Kerrys attendance really were footnotes, the campaign would never have cared about the story in the first place. On Monday, the Sun reported on a former VVAW member who claims Kerry operatives urged him to change his story about Kerrys presence in Kansas City. John Musgrave, a Marine who earned three Purple Hearts in Vietnam, claims that John Hurley, head of Veterans for Kerry, asked him to call back the Star reporter he had spoken with and tell him you were wrong. Hurley insists he only asked Musgrave to be very sure of his recollection. Apparently this simple instruction required two phone calls to impart. The Kansas City story has emerged at the same time that the FBI has revealed it conducted surveillance on Kerry during 1971 and 1972, when he was rising to fame as an antiwar spokesman. The FBI monitored the Kansas City meeting as well, though its not clear if it picked up the chatter about assassination plots. When informed of the FBI story recently, Kerry unleashed his practiced moral indignation, harumphing about civil liberties and the sad abuses of power of the Hoover-era FBI: Im surprised by the extent of it. And Im disturbed that it was all conducted absent of some showing of any legitimate probable cause italics mine. Then the Kerry campaign trotted out more of its defiant, desperate macho, claiming that the FBI revelation was a badge of honor. Kerry has not explained why the FBI was wrong to spy on meetings where political assassinations were being discussed. The senator likes to bluster about President Bushs supposed failures on homeland security, and perhaps he is worth heeding on that score. After all he, not our hopelessly provincial president, has real-world experience with groups threatening violent action. Perhaps a line can be worked into his stump speeches, right after the line about aircraft carriers: I know something about assassination plots, too. ANOTHER QUESTION THAT COMES to mind is whether Kerry felt any obligation to report the plot to authorities. Under certain conditions, knowing about such a plan - even a plan that was probably half-baked at best - and not reporting it could be a crime in itself. Gerald Nicosia, the author of Home to War , a largely positive treatment of the VVAW, absolves Kerry of any responsibility: I think if the thing ever got off the ground, Kerry would do something to stop it. Still, it would be worthwhile for someone to ask Kerry directly, if only because Kerry would provide at least two answers to choose from. For those opposed to Kerrys presidential ambitions or troubled by his conduct after returning home from Vietnam, the Kansas City story shines a welcome light. But it is unlikely that Kerrys disgraceful behavior as a member of VVAW - slandering American soldiers, spreading fictitious atrocity stories, theatrically discarding someone elses war medals - will be a major factor in the campaign. The Vietnam records of Kerry and Bush have been given a going over, almost as if they are preludes to the real campaign, when the two candidates can tackle real issues like prescription drugs, gay marriage, and outsourcing. Our political culture has been irrevocably altered by the Clinton ethos of moving on. There is a widely held sentiment among the media, and perhaps even the public at large, to let sleeping Vietnam dogs lie. Besides, George Bush is hardly an articulate advocate for the merits of the Vietnam War. In his February interview with Tim Russert, he denounced the war because we had politicians making military decisions, as if this is not a feature of every war. Even if there is a bombshell revelation yet to come, the story is already playing out on the familiar terrain of gotcha personal campaigning, devoid of genuine historical context. Kerry faces an opponent who has no desire to discuss Vietnam-era politics and a public that has long-since accepted the liberal narrative of Vietnam as a wrongful war. And he operates in a political culture in which a Democrats sins are easily forgiven, if in fact they are viewed as sins in the first place. All of this is to be regretted, because the election of 2004 offered one of the last chances to have a meaningful national debate about the merits of the Vietnam War. Unless I was out of the room the last 30 years, I dont think weve had it yet. As an interested non-expert who grew up in Vietnams aftermath, it seems to me that Vietnam in the context of the Cold War and Iraq in the context of the Terror War have many points of comparison. Chief among them is the concept of the Twilight Struggle against an implacable global adversary, where the rules of engagement cannot preclude elective interventions that are part of a long-term strategy. But the only discussion about Vietnam we tend to get is of the quagmire variety whenever an American soldier dies in Iraq;
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News management may have reached an embarrassing low in the Los Angeles Times for March 23 where an article by staff writer John M. Glionna purports to offer selections from the FBI file on soon-to-be Democratic presidential nominee John F. Kerry, who was under surveillance by the G-Men as a member of the executive board of the pro-Viet Cong Vietnam Veterans Against the War. Presenting items from 50 documents carefully selected from what it reported were 14 boxes of related government papers 12 feet high, the Times confirmed from the FBI and other witnesses that Kerry had resigned from the VVAW leadership in November 1971 at a Kansas City board meeting to run for Congress. For years Kerry claimed that he had resigned after a July 1971 meeting in St. Louis and had not been present for the Kansas City meeting that was moved from venue to venue to try to avoid FBI surveillance of the groups most secret plans. The Los Angeles Times made no mention of this part of the story, broken 10 days earlier in the New York Sun by founding New York Times books editor Tom Lipscomb and since spiked by editors coast to coast. Kerry reportedly voted against the killings but did not leave the meeting and call a cop. Until the FBI surveillance report surfaced to put him in the middle of the assassination discussion, Kerry claimed to have resigned before the meeting at which VVAW discussed the murder plan. After Kerry left the board of VVAW, with which he had made his national reputation, the FBI ceased surveillance of his activities according to a bureau memo in early 1972. Subscribe to Insight Scott Stanley is the deputy managing editor of Insight magazine.
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John Kerry had no personal recollection of this meeting 33 years ago, a Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, said in a statement e-mailed last night from Idaho, where Mr. Kerry does remember disagreements with elements of VVAW leadership that led to his resignation, but the statement did not specify what the disagreements were. If there are valid FBI surveillance reports from credible sources that place some of those disagreements in Kansas City, we accept that historical footnote in the account of his work to end the difficult and divisive war, the statement said. It did not address the murder plot, though as recently as Wednesday a top aide to Mr. Kerry said that the Massachusetts senator and presumptive Democratic presidential nominee was absolutely certain he was not present when the assassination plan, known as the Phoenix Project, was discussed. The New York Sun first reported last week that other anti-war activists placed Mr. A total of six people have now said publicly that they remember seeing Mr. Participants say the plot was voted down, and several say they remember Mr. A historian and expert on activism against the Vietnam War, Gerald Nicosia, provided the Sun yesterday with minutes of the meeting. Nicosia also read quotes from FBI surveillance documents he obtained under the Freedom of Information Act as he was preparing his 2001 book, Home to War. Kerry threw a book party for Home at War at the Hart Senate Office Building. The senator also wrote a positive blurb for the books dust jacket. Nicosia said he did not have the FBI files as he was writing the manuscript. Nicosia also provided the Sun with minutes of the meeting that he obtained from the Wisconsin state archives, which hold most of VVAWs papers. The minutes, prepared at the groups national office in New York, recount the actions taken by VVAWs emergency steering committee during the four-day meeting, which ran from November 12 to 15, 1971. The minutes indicate that at the end of the day on Saturday, November 13, discussion turned to national actions and other things. The meeting is reported to have adjourned at 10 pm and resumed at 11 am Sunday.