3/19 This has got to be tearing Taiwan apart right now. Anyone with
relatives/friends/actual presence there like to comment?
\_ I am in TW right now. Really think DPP rigged the election.
Numerous of things, such as disallowing police and military
to vote really made a difference this time. DPP fully aware
that police / military tend to be pro KMT, and using assassination
as an excuse to put them in high alert is a relatively reasonable
as an excuse to put them in high alert. It's a relatively reasonable
reason to disallowing them to vote. The assassination attempt,
which many believed is being staged by DPP, really helped in
galvanizing the swing voters to vote DPP at last minute.
Having said that, I don't think pan-KMT fraction can do anything
about this. I, for one, now leaning toward CCP instead.
\_ Many people believe that Bush paid the Israeli secret service
to blow up the towers in NY, too. Just because many people are
stupid doesn't mean they're right.
\_ My dad said Chen placed 300000 army and police on high alert after
the "assassination" attempt on him, so these 300000 people
couldn't vote. DPP "won" by 30000, one tenth of 300000.
\_ just in case someone wonders, the above numbers were not typos.
The army and police who were supposed to vote in special voting
places but were mobilized just on the election day and didn't
get any chance to vote numbered at least ten times the margin of
of "victory" claimed to be won by Chen. There are numerous irreg
in the vote counting process, including massive selective
\_ The assassination stunt Chen pulled is kind of like the President
of the United States using his presidential powers to stage an
assassination attempt by Al Queda in a last minute bid to
win the election.
\_ Look, I'm not disputing whether the assassination attempt was
staged or not. I'm looking for insight from people who are
there. Do you know anyone who's there right now? Then ask
them what they think is going on and post it.
labelling of votes against Chen as beling invalid. Frankly, I
don't like Lien, because he seems like a indifferent wimp. What
worries me is having someone who is capable of a treachery of
this magnitude as the leader of a still young democracy.
\_ Too true, once we kill off the splittists, the motherland will
be reunited and we can execute or put in mental hospitals the
splittists who remain.
\_ well, even CCP have not been saying things like that, for
many year. Almost no people on taiwan want immediate
reunification, including those against Chen and DPP. Even
many people on the mainland does not think unification is
a viable idea now, including all of the leadership, not the
least because of the divergent political system. They
just want to maintain the status quo, perhaps indefinitely.
The DPP and Chen, however, want to severe any hope and good
will between Taiwan and the mainland. They want to write
textbooks that claim "Taiwanese" (Chinese immigrated there
two centuries earlier, not the minoriity aborigines) as
a different and superior race and glorify Japanese's role
in WWII. To achieve the former, they used all the media
they control to forment hatred against and demonize all
people on the mainland as well as Taiwanese who disagree
with their agenda. When the last time there was a solar
storm disrupting satelite communication, they put out
"news" that claim Beijing is send death ray against their
with their agenda. Example: I remember when there was a
solar storm disrupting satelite communication, they put out
"news" that claim Beijing sent death ray against
Beijing.
satelite. During SARS, they first claimed Taiwanese are
immune from it during to their superiority. When it broke
out there too, they claim it was a biological attack from
Beijing. You don't hear this on the western media because
they are clever enough to realize it is not PC so they
do not release it in English, and (at least the american)
media never picks it up, intentionally or not.
\_ The mainland leadership doesn't want reunification?
Excuse me, but that's complete bullshit. I won't
actually call you a liar. They've been putting out
pro-unification noise since day one. They're building
up military force on the mainland side of the water for
years and continue to do so. They have stated outright
that if they don't reunify at some unspecified but
near-future date that the mainland *will invade* to
make it happen. I don't know about the propaganda
coming out of Taiwan but the mainland makes their own
positions very public and very clear.
\_ summary:
The margin which DPP won by: < 30k (or 0.23%)
The number of military/police personel which are not given
the chance to vote: 300k
The number of votes which counted as "invalid" due to
"more stringent validation process:" 330k
The number of ballots casted: 13 million
\_ "We didn't like the results so let's have a do-over!" |