3/15 Any Sodans who is Mogolian? I am a bit curious on how you deal
with the fact that Mogolians can only be written vertically. Is there
any software such as browser that has vertical layout?
\_ You're forgetting one very important aspect of Mongolian history:
Russian imperialism. They use a cyrillic phonetic system now,
which is what they've adopted for the web. For example:
<DEAD>www.pmis.gov.mn<DEAD>
\_ I am fully aware of Russian imperialism. 90% of Mongolians
speak Russian.
".mn" is their domain extension. Also, there is a LaTeX font
package for mongolian that handles the vertical script:
http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~corff/im/MLS/montex.html
\_ cool... but that is not what I am looking for. I am wondering
about how their browser works :p
\_ yes, and that was answered with the above link to a .mn
website. They use the cyrillic alphabet for web stuff.
".mn" is their domain extension. Isn't it amazing what 30 seconds
with google will do?
\_ do you perhaps mean "Mongolian"?
\_ no, Mogolian... lives out with the Moguls.
\_ then wouldn't it be "Mogulian"?
\_ Aren't the two related?
\_ then wouldn't it be "Mogulian"?
\_ Aren't the two related?
\_ Do they read the Klingon Book of Mormon?
http://james.jlcarroll.net/Star_Trek/Klingon_BoM
\_ ok, Mongolian. Does anyone knows how computer deal with
writing which can only be written vertically?
\_ I am having a hard time visualizing any writing system which
_requires_ vertical writing. What if Mongolian is written
horizontally? Will Mongolians suddenly cease to understand it?
-- ilyas
\_ Mongolians are similiar to Arabic in a way which all letters
are connected, and depend upon the position of the letter
relative to its word, the glyph may be different. It is
less convinient than traditional Chinese or Koreans to
change its orientation. I just thought this would be a
very interesting computer science problem to solve this kind
of writing system. Besides Mongolians, Manchurians (which
is heavily influenced by Mongolians) are the only script I
know that is written exclusively in vertical form.
know that is written exclusively in vertical form.
-kngharv
-kngharv
\_ Would it be analogous to trying to write calligraphy
vertically? People below don't seem to get what you are
saying.
\_ what's the problem? if they have arabic fonts then you
can easily do mongolian. if nothing else you could
flip the display sideways. in English you can still read
something if you flip it sideways, it's just harder.
\_ w p n t t s i b
h r o o r i f e
a o t y d t
t b r e i t
l a e f w t e
i e a l a r
s m b d i y l
? i p s o
t g l p o
h i i i a k
e t d k n n s
' e e g d
s a e
l t m s v
h e e e
i e n
s
.
\_ Enter the Matrix!
\_ this is why you guys don't work in Usability
\_ it's a cultural thing. A lot of old Chinese
text which contains English are written this
is way, and it's matter of getting used to it.
\_ except mongolians alphabets are all connected.
\_ ugh! I meant to show that it's difficult
to read vertical english. the words are
tongue in cheek, but it seems that people
think it's easy to read the vertical
text above.
\_ For viewing, flipping is ok, but what about
when you are entering text? Doing it sideways
would be a big pain. I don't think that's acceptable.
\_ sigh. Don't you get it? I was referring to English
turned on its side. In your example, the letters are
l t m s v
h e e e
i e n
s
.
\_ Enter the Matrix!
still horizontal but you placed them vertically.
the brain recognizes word shapes, which your example
destroys, but which is preserved when rotated. Now
imagine a font that creates sideways Mongolian.
\_ For viewing, flipping is ok, but what about when
you are entering text? Doing it sideways would
be a big pain. I don't think that's acceptable.
what's needed is like a word processor that goes
verticle line by verticle line.
\_ What I'm saying is that if you for example
made the font as I described, and just set
your monitor on the side, it seems like that
would give you most of what you want in Word.
In fact all of Windows could be flipped and
the titlebars etc. would make sense. It may
not be easy in current programs, but concep-
tually I don't see any real problem.
\_ Chinese used to be written almost exclusively vertically
until the last century. There is no problem reading Chinese
aligned in any orientation, so it's just a matter of habit.
\_ that's because chinese is different. It doesn't use an
alphabet, and words are not composed of letters.
Instead each "word" is always a square shape.
So it feels more like what's below except it's even
\_ sigh.
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what a this. see
is big try if
the deal flipping it
problem? to me looks
it's read sideways even
not like and better.
better in that each word is always a square (maybe
like each word is always 5 letters). Also,
"pictographic" (don't know the more accurate
term) writings tend to be easier to read. One
can scan it really fast. In practice, I think there is
no difference in terms of reading speed for chinese
between vertical and horizontal.
what a this. see
is big try if
the deal flipping it
problem? to me looks
it's read sideways even
not like and better.
\_ It be analogous to trying to write calligraphy
vertically? People below don't seem to get what you are
saying.
\_ imagine hand writing English (script form) which each
letters in a word are connected... try to write *THAT*
in a vertical form, you would get some idea what is
the problem... this analogy doesn't reflect the true
difficulty in Mongolian, as English alphabets' shape
does not change relative to the position of the word
and vows. |
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