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2004/3/10 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:12602 Activity:nil
3/10    Kerry backs gay marriage ban:
        http://tinyurl.com/24gas (boston.com)
        \_ flip
        \_ flop
           \_ Nice that you go the RNC memo, but you are full of it. Read the
              article moron. Kerry has consistently said this issue should
              be up to the states.
                \_ uh whatever, I've read his record and his past statements.
                   the only thing he's got going for him is the unnamed foreign
                   leaders who he claims support him. hehe.
                   \_ You apparently only read the "analysts" breakdowns.  He
                      hasn't flipflopped on this.  He's been almost superhumanly
                      consistent.  He supports preserving the current def'n of
                      marriage, but wants "civil unions" to be available for
                      homosexuals.  He also doesn't believe the federal
                      government should legislate the point.  This panders
                      to the general public and matches the polling numbers,
                      but is less than ideal in terms of progressivity.  Not
                      having federal protection for recognizing these civil
                      unions across state lines make this a pretty clear
                      "separate-but-equal" debate.  I expect you'll see a true
                      flip 5-10 years down the line because of this. --scotsman
                \_ states, shmates.  it's just an end run and an obvious one to
                   making defacto federal level gay marriage.  when you and
                   your husband move to a state that chose not to have gay
                   marriage are you going to try to force that state to provide
                   full marriage rights?  yep.  so transparent.  next!
                   \_ How can you "force" one state to enforce another
                      states laws? Laws can and do differ from state to state.
                      \_ Exactly, so what does your insurance company who is
                         based somewhere else do?  What happens if one of you
                         changes states and files for divorce?  Etc, etc.
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tinyurl.com/24gas -> www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/02/26/kerry_backs_state_ban_on_gay_marriage/
In his most explicit remarks on the subject yet, Kerry told the Globe that he would support a proposed amendment to the state Constitution that would prohibit gay marrriage so long as, while outlawing gay marriage, it also ensured that same-sex couples have access to all legal rights that married couples receive. If the Massachusetts Legislature crafts an appropriate amendment that provides for partnership and civil unions, then I would support it, and it would advance the goal of equal protection, the senator said yesterday, stressing that he was referring only to the state, and not the federal, Constitution. He has said he would oppose any amendment that did not include a provision for civil unions. Kerrys remarks angered supporters of gay marriage in Massachusetts, but could help stalled efforts by state legislative leaders to win support for their amendment. Travaglini and Senate minority leader Brian Lees would restrict marriage to heterosexuals but create a same-sex civil union system that would provide all the benefits and protections of marriage. It is harmful for us and could well affect the vote, said Arline Isaacson, cochairwoman of the Massachusetts Gay and Lesbian Political Caucus, which strongly opposes such an amendment. Over the last several weeks, as the debate over whether to amend the state Constitution has unfolded, Kerry has refused to offer a detailed position. He had said generally that he opposes gay marriage as well as the ruling by the Supreme Judicial Court that cleared the way for gay marriages, but that he supports civil unions. But he has not described his view of any specific amendment under discussion in the Legislature. Nationally, Republicans have tried to pin Kerry down on the highly charged issue and hoped to use the controversy in Massachusetts as part of their efforts to paint him as a Northeast liberal out of synch with the rest of the country. They have also tried to use the complex nuances that surround gay-marriage issues and Kerrys statements to back up their charge that he is inconsistent on major policy issues. Saying at the time that he opposed gay marriage, Kerry was one of 14 senators to vote against a federal law in 1996 defining marriage as a union only of a man and woman, saying it amounted to gay-bashing. Kerry has also denounced the push by President Bush this week to amend the US Constitution to outlaw gay marriage. Kerry has said he opposed amending the US Constitution, because he believes the issue of marriage should be left to the states. In the past several weeks, Kerry has been under pressure to take a position in the ongoing debate in Massachusetts. Two weeks ago, a deadlocked state Legislature, meeting as a constitutional convention, spent two emotionally charged days grappling with proposals for amendments to ban gay marriage, but failed to find consensus. Voters would have a chance to make the final decision on an amendment in the November 2006 election. Barring legal maneuvers by opponents, the ruling gives a 2 1/2-year window in which gay couples can legally marry before voters decide the issue. Not everyone on Beacon Hill said that Kerrys comments would affect the debate. Members are reaching their conclusions based on what they hear from their districts and what they feel in their hearts, said state Senator Andrea F. No matter what the good senator or anyone of national prominence has to say, it is unlikely to influence any member of the constitutional convention. Kerrys position is also contrary to that of the Massachusetts Democratic Party, which last month endorsed gay marriage. Kerry has appeared reluctant to enter into the gay-marriage debate as it unfolded in his home state. Earlier this year, Kerry was the only member of the states all-Democrat congressional delegation who chose not to sign a letter urging the state Legislature to reject a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. When the Legislature convened last month to consider amendment language, Kerry stayed silent, a position that drew criticism from several gay media outlets. New Englands largest gay-targeted newspaper, In Newsweekly, cited Kerrys flip-flops on the issue of gay marriage in an editorial to be published today that endorses his rival, Senator John Edwards, for the Democratic presidential nomination.
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