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2004/3/8 [Politics/Domestic/President/Clinton, Politics/Domestic/President] UID:12577 Activity:nil
3/8     Stop dwelling on the Floriday election people - it doesn't matter
        that people were scrubbed from the voters rolls- elections are
        determined by those who actually vote.  You can only guess at
        what these others would have done, or if they even would have
        showed up.  Although, imo, scrubbing should be done before the
        primary, not in between.  That gives those improperly knocked
        out time to raise hell.  FL is just like San Francisco - the
        election machinery is a joke.  Here we just don't have close races,
        or even races at all.  I vote absentee and avoid it all.
        \_ good point, voter fraud is fine.
           \_ Nah, it's only bad when a Republican won.  There was (apparently)
              hardly any voter fraud to worry about when Clinton won, or during
              any other race that wasn't close.  Because you know, if there
              _was_ voter fraud then, I am sure you diligent non-partisan
              folks would have been screaming about it at the top of your
              lungs too.
              \_ anything specific, or are you just talking out of your ass?
                 \_ Nah, I am sure it was nothing.  I think republicans
                    invented presidential voter fraud in 2000.
                    \_ What is your point?
                       \_ My point, my frothy friend, is that if you dislike
                          voter fraud, you should have been yelling about it
                          all these years.  As it is, your serendipidous
                          discovery of this unfortunate malaise on our
                          society, and subsequent outrage seem a little too
                          well-timed to be well-intentioned (or honest).
                       \_ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                          HEY SHITBOX STOP WRITING OVER OTHER PEOPLE'S POSTS
                \_ Kennedy/Nixon, 1960. Illinois. Texas.
                   "[T]he Chicago Tribune concluded that 'the election
                   of November 8 was characterized by such gross and
                   palpable fraud as to justify the conclusion that
                   [Nixon] was deprived of victory.'"
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A36425-2000Nov16?language=printer
                   \_ yes, yes, so what?  Kennedy was a better man so we got a
                      better President out of it.
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I thought that the fact that I had lost my state, Illinois, would mean that Kennedy would lose the presidency. Suddenly, somebody was rapping on his door, saying Sarge, the votes in Illinois have changed completely. It was true: A late surge of votes from Chicago had put Kennedy back in the lead in Illinois. A Roller-Coaster Finish Across the country, Nixon and his aides were watching the same returns. We were getting good reports out of Illinois but we noticed that a lot of precincts in Chicago werent reporting, says Herb Klein, who was Nixons press secretary. Hall grumbled that the Chicago Democrats were up to their usual tricks. By midnight-3 oclock back East-Kennedy had 265 electoral votes, just four short of victory. Nixon wasnt ready to concede, but he thought he should make some kind of statement to his supporters in the ballroom downstairs. If the present trend continues, he told them, Senator Kennedy will be the next president of the United States. Watching on TV in Hyannis Port, Kennedys aides groaned and grumbled. Kennedys lead in the popular vote was melting away, from 800,000 votes to 600,000 to fewer than half a million. When he fell asleep, shortly after 4, Nixon still didnt know if hed won or lost. When his daughter Julie woke him two hours later, he learned hed been defeated. Out of 68 million votes, the difference between the parties was only 113,000. Kennedy ended up taking 303 electoral votes to Nixons 219 and 15 for segregationist Sen. But Nixon would have won if hed taken Texas, where he lost by only 46,000 votes, and Illinois, where he lost by fewer than 9,000. Ike told him hed heard rumors of voting fraud in Texas and Illinois and urged him to check it out. By now it was mid-morning and Nixon had no desire to make another concession speech. Instead, he sent Kennedy a congratulatory telegram and dispatched Klein to read it to the press. Kennedy was disgusted, his press secretary, Pierre Salinger, recalled in his memoirs. Showing Grace in Defeat On the plane back to Washington that night, campaign manager Hall buttonholed Nixon to say he thought the Democrats had stolen votes in Illinois, Texas, Missouri and New Mexico. Hed been campaigning nonstop for weeks and hed barely slept in the last three days. He failed to fall asleep on the plane, and when he got home he found he couldnt sleep there, either. He built a fire and sat in front of it, pondering what he ought to do about rumors of election fraud. He decided, he later wrote, that it was important that he appear to be a man who could lose gracefully. Back in Washington, Republicans were hollering about voting fraud. Everett Dirksen, Illinois frog-voiced Republican patriarch, claimed that the Daley machine had stolen the election in his state. Barry Goldwater echoed Dirksen, declaring that Chicago had the rottenest election machinery in the United States. 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