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2/11 I have proof that 9/11 was staged by our government:
http://www.the-movement.com/air%20operation/Journey.htm
\_ This ain't proof, just a bunch of rambling thrown
in with a few coincidences.
\_ The very concept is so ridiculous I don't see a reason to waste
the wear and tear on my mouse to click the link.
\_ even if you don't agree, aren't you curious?
\_ no, I've been on the net for 20 years, how much more lunacy
should i subject myself to until I can stop being curious?
\_ Remember The Maine!
\_ Similar but no-go. A good shot at it, though.
\_ All the "9/11 never happened" people are just radicals who want
to overthrow the US government. [formatd]
\_ As soon as we draft the general we'll take over and reshape the
country, no!, the world in our image! It shall be glorious!
\_ In a similar vein, I have evidence that Flight 93 was
really shot down by the govt:
http://www.flight93crash.com
\_ Oklahoma City was done by an Iraqi conspiracy, and the US
government is covering it up!
http://www.cbn.com/CBNNews/News/021022a.asp
\_ Do you have the whacky links 'proving' that the pentagon wasn't
even hit by a plane? Those are the best.
\_ yes, I would like to see those too.
to overthrow the US government. |
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| www.the-movement.com/air%20operation/Journey.htm Rendezvous and Land Many articles about the hijackings have shown diagrams of the flight-paths followed by the four hijacked planes. These flight paths were not taken from recordings of Air Traffic Control radar as you might think, but from Flight-Tracking services, available to the public on the Internet. If you connect to a Flight-Tracker you can actually watch a plane on its journey using radar information. Air traffic controllers use radar and the information sent from the planes transponder, which shows altitude as well as the planes identification. The hijackers turned off the planes transponders which made it difficult for ATC to track them, but the flight tracking service continued to record the planes locations. If Operation 9-11 was based loosely on Operation Northwoods, what exactly did they do? It would make sense to rendezvous with a drone as close as possible to a military base to avoid the chances of someone seeing an unexplained blip on the radar. If the passenger planes were landed it would need to be at airports or bases close to the target so that the radar trace would appear to finish at the target. Lets look at some images of the flights as picked up by a company called Flight Explorer. Our rendezvous point for both of these planes would seem to be fairly simple and can be seen even more clearly as an animation. You will notice immediately that the two planes almost meet each other at a point north of NYC. Stewart International Airport which is also the location of Stewart Air National Guard Base and the 105th airlift wing. Now look at a diagram of the airport itself: Those two runways fairly closely match the paths taken by Flight 11 and 175 dont they? FAA worker says hijacked jeltiners almost collided before striking World Trade Center The terrorists, however, nearly had their plans dashed when the two planes almost collided outside the city, the employee said. How could this be done without an Air Traffic Controller noticing something funny? From the same article: One air traffic controller - with the help of an assistant - monitored the flight patterns of the two jets that toppled the World Trade Center, the employee said. He directed American Airlines Flight 11 and United Airlines Flight 175 - both Boeing 767 jets that had Boston to Los Angeles routes, the employee said. The same controller handled Egypt Air Flight 990 when it crashed off the coast of Massachusetts in 1999, the employee said. For those who dont know, Flight 990 was full of Egyptian Military top brass and is suspected by some people of having been crashed using remote control. You may have noticed that the last blip for Flight 175 is a little out of place. Could the last blip in each flight path have been added on to show the planes apparently finishing at the world trade center? If this is the case perhaps flight 11 could have landed at La Guardia airport directly below the second last blip A simple possibility is that some sort of hijacking was actually taking place on the plane, the real pilots were still flying the plane and were told to land at La Guardia airport. Another controller at the Nashua center confirms these events, adding some of what the hijacker was saying. One of the pilots keyed their mike so the conversation between the pilot and the person in the cockpit could be heard, a second controller says. This controller also says that someone in the cockpit may have said something about guiding the plane toward Kennedy or LaGuardia airport in New York. But the controller, who was not handling the plane himself, is unsure whether the pilot or hijacker was speaking. If the latter, it may have been a ruse to make the pilot believe the plane was being diverted to an airport, not to a murder-suicide mission at the World Trade Center. Christian Science Monitor, Sept 13th 2001 Flight 175 is more interesting to analyse. L ess than 30 minutes into a journey that was to have taken six hours, Flight 175 took a sharp turn south into central New Jersey, near Trenton , an unusual diversion for a plane heading west, airline employees said. S omewhere between Philadelphia and Newark less than 90 miles from Manhattan Flight 175 made its final radar contact , according to a statement released by United Airlines. About the same time, American Flight 11 struck the north tower of the World Trade Center, setting off a massive explosion. Trenton is close to Brown Mills, the location of McGuire Air Force Base. Youll also notice if you look at the white time markings on the diagram above that Flight 175 also seems to be slowing down a great deal as it approaches Trenton. Look at the last two blips before the plane supposedly turns towards NY. They are in a direct line towards Brown Mills Alternatively, it may have landed at La Guardia with Flight 11. Perhaps they both assumed new transponder/radio identities as they approached the airport? F light 93 and Flight 77 Flight 93 was supposed to take-off from Newark airport at 8:00 but was delayed by 42 minutes. In the image below you can see the original flight plan on the right with estimated arrival time set as 02:15 pm at San Francisco. You can see it flies very close to both Cleveland and Pittsburgh airports. Not long before the plane disappears from the radar, whoever was flying the plane filed an electronic change of flight-plan to DCA Ronald Reagan International Airport with an estimated arrival time of 10:28. Why any suicide hijacker would ever dream of filing a change of flight plan is totally beyond comprehension. Around the time the flight plan was changed Flight 93 was heading towards the municipal airport in Johnstown at a low altitude. One thing is for certain - all the crashes were supposed to happen at around the same time. If Flight 93 had not been delayed by 42 minutes and had followed the same path, it would have arrived in Washington at 9:46. This is around the same time that Flight 77 supposedly crashed into the Pentagon What happened to Flight 77? Unlike all the other planes the radar track suddenly stops over Southern Ohio. Any other flight path diagrams you may have seen have the estimated path drawn in. None of the other planes lost the flight tracking at an early stage in the journey. Did it land in the very small Portsmouth Airport or fly very low and land in one of the larger airports in the area? Perhaps it had another destination which had to be abandoned because of the Flight 93 delay. If this plane had changed its path at this point and flown directly to Chicago and the Sears Tower it would have passed directly over Dayton and the Wright Patterson air base. There are a number of possibilities: The real planes rendezvoused with the military planes and the empty military planes were crashed into the buildings. If so, were the passengers just aliases with actors playing bereaved relatives? Its difficult to believe that around two hundred fake passengers could be alive and complicit without someone blowing the whistle. They are more likely to be either innocent and dead or complicit and dead. The real planes were modified to allow remote control, rendezvoused with military planes which would jam the radio and transponder signals whilst guiding the planes to their targets. A staged hijacking may have been happening, or the pilots may have been given bogus orders to fly to the rendezvous point because of an emergency. Another possibility is that a staged hijacking was taking place on the planes but the planes were flown back to the airport except flight 93. Lets not forget the c-130 plane seen flying directly above flight 77 as if to prevent two planes from appearing on radar while at the same time guiding the jet toward the Pentagon Was there an opportunity to modify or even substitute any of the planes? |
| www.flight93crash.com -> www.flight93crash.com/ It was a jet plane, and it had to be flying real close when that 757 went down. Late Thursday afternoon, federal agents who spoke to reporters at the crash site said there was no evidence as of yet that a second plane was nearby when Flight 93 plunged into a strip mine. Entire Story Glicks father-in-law, Richard Makely, said he took the phone, hoping to hear Glick come back and say the passengers and crew had regained control of the plane. He would not say exactly what he heard, other than to say it would not have indicated what ultimately caused the planes nose dive into a field in Somerset County, southeast of Pittsburgh, 90 minutes after the first airliner hit one of the twin towers in New York. Online Sept 20 /2001 - latest update August 1, 2003 How much did Bush Really Know in Advance? The Story Begins Here Eight miles away in New Baltimore, Melanie Hankinson said she found singed papers and other light debris from the crash, including pages from Hemispheres Magazine, Uniteds in-flight magazine. Stoe said authorities initially insisted crash debris could not have traveled over a mountain ridge more than eight miles from the crash. The NTSB says it is not only plausible, but probable, said FBI Agent Crowley. It was a jet plane, and it had to be flying real close when that 757 went down. Late Thursday afternoon, federal agents who spoke to reporters at the crash site said there was no evidence as of yet that a second plane was nearby when Flight 93 plunged into a strip mine. Some news links are no longer working, and new information keeps coming out. Always check the discussion board for the latest information and unmoderated free flow of ideas. Background: I didnt even give this crash a second thought until I got a couple phone calls from friends on the 11th saying friends of theirs with inside information knew it was shot down. But that did pique my curiosity enough to follow the story and begin collecting what little news I could find. I have linked to local reports that have never been reported by the mainstream media . A one ton engine part survives a near vertical impact and is found far from the crash. Burning debris falling from the sky, clothing, books and human remains found miles away . An air traffic controller reports an F-16 must have seen the whole thing . The FBI finally allowed family members to hear the Cockpit Voice Recorder. There simply is no evidence at this time that heros ever got in the cockpit. The story hasnt changed much since the Newsweek article below outlined what the reporters did and didnt read in the transcripts. The Fact remains that the FBI has never stated heroes were ever in the cockpit. Because it shows the plane depressurizing, losing an engine, flipping upside down and crashing in a way that they dont care to explain. November 27th - The FBI recently provided a partial Cockpit Voice Recorder transcript to 3 Newsweek reporters. It appears to verify things Ive been saying for 2 months, likeThe Investigators are looking into the possibility that the heroes came very close to the cockpit, it is unclear that they actually reached the cockpit door. The current official story is that 3 F-16 fighters had been scrambled at 9:24AM and were airborne over Washington DC by 9:40AM. These pilots saw the Pentagon on fire, the President had OKd a shootdown, the Secret Service had advised the pilots to protect the White House at all costs, and Flight 93 was the only aircraft off course - heading toward DC - with its transponder off. Flight 93 crashed at 10:06AM only 125 miles from DC 10 minutes away at 750mph for an F-16 and 3 nuclear power plants were in between Flight 93 and DC Fighter pilots have weighed in and told me likely speeds might be 600 for the F-16s and 300 for the 757 converging at 1000 mph. What did those 3 fighters do from 9:40AM until 9:55AM when they finally turned towards Flight 93 and were 60 miles out at 10:06am? Remember, at 8:45 we scrambled 2 F-15s and they reached the WTC 15 minutes later. And why has the FBI told Air Traffic Controllers not to talk with the press under threat of prosecution? Answer: As a condition of employment Contollers are required to have a secret security clearance rating. As a civilian air traffic controller you are bound to know military flight information that should remain secret. This makes perfect sense due to the fact that the FBI is conducting a Criminal Investigation into the crash. Witnesses may also be prohibited from talking to the press regarding the incident. The white mystery jet was witnessed by dozens - was that what this controller saw on his screen? Clearly, no controllers are talking to the media about that white jet - but a lot of civilians were. The Ohio guard has F-16s at Springfield and Toledo and I am almost positive there is also a fighter squadron at Greater Pitt. The Vermont guard maintains strip alert with F-16s at Burlington, and has for years. There are also active duty and reserve/guard fighter bases in Indiana. Another email: I have a inside source that can verify the National Guard F-16s at Hancock field in Syracuse NY were in the air early that morning before 9am. Its a good point, all other airbases seem to be ignored by the press. Partial Answer: Federal military officials recently confirmed that the 180th Fighter Wing - an Ohio Air National Guard unit based at Toledo Express Airport - was the first unit outside the East Coast to answer the Air Forces plea for immediate help. Alan Scott, who has been analyzing the air responses for the Air Force. Date20011209&CategoryNEWS28&ArtNo112090036&RefAR Comment: This report has the Toledo F-16s not in the air until after all 4 hijacked aircraft crashed, and Syracuse based fighters joining them 1/2 hour later at 10:45am. Ive had eyewitnesses email me saying Syracuse based F-16s were in the air before 9am. A 44 year old lieutenant colonel in the Ohio Air National Guard and an F-16 pilot passed away due to a heartattack Dec 2, 2001. Raffa was the full-time commander of operations for the 180th and was deployed in Iraq last year. Another email: No, its Langley AFB, VA - keep your eyes on the alert shelters along the main runway. |
| www.cbn.com/CBNNews/News/021022a.asp The Oklahoma City bombing has been portrayed as an attack by Americans Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols against their fellow Americans. There is strong evidence that McVeigh and Nichols were only two members of a broad conspiracy, one that included other white supremacists and possibly Iraqi agents. But what has always been puzzling has been the governments lack of interest in pursuing other suspects. The execution of Timothy McVeigh helped bring a feeling of closure to the family and friends of the 168 people killed in 1995 in the Oklahoma City bombing. But McVeighs lawyer, Stephen Jones, cautions that if the government thinks it convicted the chief suspect in the Oklahoma City bombing, it got the wrong man. I believe Timothy McVeighs role in the Oklahoma City bombing was a very minor one, Jones said. Timothy McVeigh saw his role as the cover for everybody else, to be the person to fall on the sword. It served deep-seated emotional needs that he had, and it furthered the role of the conspiracy. Ever since the McVeigh trial, Jones has accused the federal government of a cover-up, and indeed, the government was found to have withheld 4,000 pages of evidence during the McVeigh trial. Jones book, Others Unknown refers to the other suspects the government stopped pursuing. Several witnesses saw McVeigh with other men up to and after the Oklahoma City bombing. Rodney Johnson had to swerve his truck to avoid hitting McVeigh and John Doe 2 as they crossed the street right before the bombing. Timothy McVeigh was in the lead, and John Doe 2 was right behind him a dark skinned, possibly Mexican American, possibly native American, some people say, but dark skinned, Johnson recalled. Shortly after the Murrah Federal Building was blown up, the FBI issued an all points bulletin for Middle Eastern suspects, but then within hours the manhunt was called off. The Justice Department was no longer interested in a Middle East connection. In the months and years that followed, it certainly seemed as if the Justice Department did not want there to be any other suspects, Middle Eastern or otherwise. In the trial of Timothy McVeigh, the government did not call a single witness who could place McVeigh at the scene of the crime, presumably because each one of those witnesses would also testify that they saw McVeigh with other suspects. Eyewitnesses complained that in some cases, FBI agents were not interested in their accounts of John Doe 2. Debbie Nakanashi, who is considered an important witness, said, At first they were very excited with what we had to tell them. They brought in a sketch artist, Jeannie, I cant remember her last name, Boylan, who worked with me. As the months went by, however, their attitude gradually changed to a point where I felt they were just kind of like, the last time I saw them it was like they were just cleaning up a little mess, there, you know. Oklahoma police sergeant Don Browning said that on the day of the bombing, while rescue efforts were still going on, he saw FBI agents in blue raid jackets using tall ladders to remove all the surveillance cameras from the remains of the Murrah building. None of that video, which might reveal the identity of at least one of McVeighs co-conspirators, has ever been released, except one tape showing only the Ryder truck. Former Oklahoma State Representative Charles Key said, Theres at least a total of, according to a court document, 22 different surveillance videos. Why dont they release those videos and let the people see what those videos show? I mean they surely would clear up who and how many and what nationality some of these John Does are, and the Justice Department has continued to fight every effort to release those surveillance videos. There are several possible explanations for what is either the governments lack of interest or a cover-up. One is that the Clinton administration wanted a simple open and shut case that would lead to a speedy execution. Others believe the pursuit of other suspects would have revealed how badly the government bungled the investigation, or might have showed that the government could have prevented the bombing. Federal informant Carol Howe had warned the government that a federal building would be bombed. And on the morning of the bombing, witnesses saw a bomb squad in the vicinity of the Murrah building. And there are new questions about the governments failure or unwillingness to establish a Middle Eastern connection to the bombing, despite a sizeable amount of clues. An FBI report says that on the day of the bombing, then CIA counter-terrorism official Vincent Cannistraro took a call from Saudi Arabia. Stephen Jones said, He received a telephone call from a credible source, high up in Saudi intelligence. A person with some responsibility for protecting the Saudi royal family advised him that the work of the bombing was the work of four or five agents, recruited by Iraq, but who did not know they were working for Iraq, who were in this country. Last October, Senator Arlen Spector sent FBI chief Robert Mueller a letter complaining that the FBI and the Justice Department were stonewalling his efforts to look into an Iraqi connection. Congressman Dan Burton, chairman of the Government Reform Committee, has reportedly subpoenaed Naval intelligence for a photograph or video believed to show McVeigh and John Doe 2 getting out of the Ryder truck before the bombing. Last year, a group of relatives of the victims filed suit against Iraq for involvement in the attack. In the time before the bombing, Terry Nichols made several trips and phone calls to Cebu City, the Philippines. The plaintiffs allege that Nichols met with members of the Abu Sayyaf terror group, but most importantly with Ramzi Youssef, the mastermind of the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993, in which the bomb and the method used were almost identical to the Oklahoma City bombing. We have proof from a previous case that Ramzi Youssef was an agent of Iraq, said Mike Johnston, one of the attorneys for the plaintiffs in the suit against Iraq. I think the strongest piece of evidence is the absolute, incriminating pattern of telephone calls, made by Terry Nichols and others to the Philippines leading up to bombing. It is apparent that both Nichols and some other individual or individuals were checking on and receiving instructions from the Philippines via phone in the critical time leading up to the April 19 th bombing. Stephen Jones says there is no doubt Nichols, who was married to a Filipino, met with Youssef in the Philippines. His own father in law, who is a Philippine policeman, said to us and to the Philippine police that he found books on explosives and bomb making in Terry Nichols luggage at the house. Why would Terry Nichols carry books on and explosives and bomb making to the Philippines? The alleged name is Hussein Al-Husseini, a former Iraqi soldier who witnesses have sworn was with Timothy McVeigh. When Al-Husseini was first named by an Oklahoma City reporter, he sued for libel, and lost. Al-Husseini failed to provide any cognizable response or plausible explanation in opposition to the circumstantial evidence that he was John Doe 2. We think the circumstantial evidence, the physical similarities, the lack of an alibi, indicate to me that we can prove in a legal context, more probably true than not, that the individual we name in our complaint is John Doe 2. Al-Husseinis whereabouts are not known, and his attorney did not return our call. While Jones is unsure about an Iraqi connection to the Oklahoma City bombing, he says McVeigh was very sympathetic to Iraq. I can talk about it now, since hes waived attorney client privilege. He thought the United States policy against Saddam Hussein was wrong, that hed been used, these were innocent people over there, it was a poor country and we were fighting the wrong enemy, Jones said. It is still up to the United States government to tell what it knows. The FBI has said it is unaware of any foreign terrorist connection. Jones says that when he accepted Timothy McVeigh as his client, he received what would be a prophetic warning from McVeighs ... |