2/7     I just installed FireBird for the first time today after Mozilla
        kept on crashing in an old, underpowered Linux machine. I've never
        seen a browser this amazing before. I mean, seriously, the first
        browser upgrade that really blew me away was Netscape 3.x. Firebird,
        while still in beta, recaptures that experience. I immediately
        started installing this thing on every machine that I use. This
        thing just blows IE out of the water.
        \_ tell us why it is so much better. Reliability? Feature? What else?
           Give us the specifics.
           \_ It's hard to explain why exactly it's better. I think it's just
              that Mozilla always felt very clunky and this basically just
              strips everything off of Mozilla which was clunky and just makes
              the whole epxerience a lot better. It feels a lot more
              responsive than Mozilla and the UI is really a lot more
              organized and a lot simpler. You can do everything that you
              did in Mozilla but in a smaller footprint. In terms of
              stability, it's not necessarily any more stable at this point
              than Mozilla, but it seems to load up quite a bit faster.
              I think it's also much closer to IE in the sense of just having
              a browser. There isn't all this clunky shit that comes with
              Mozilla like the email, the page layout tools, the chat, the
              IM, and all that other garbage. I guess it's like the smaller
              tool mentality of UNIX in general, and that makes it much
              better than trying to be an environment. It reminds me very
              much of older versions of Netscape before the bloat.
           \_ standards-compliant rendering, features, speed.
              \_ the first is identical to mozilla, the second is less than
                 mozilla.
                 \_ and the speed?
                    \_ the point is, a slightly faster browser with fewer
                       features and the same rendering engine as mozilla
                       shouldn't be considered "amazing".
                    \_ well, after you reduce features, it's a lot easier to
                       improve speed.  don't drink the lemonade.
                    \_ interface speed is much faster (menus, dialogs, window
                       opening, etc)  rendering speed is the same.  mozilla
                       w/ quickstart starts up faster (since it's already
                       loaded)  firebird works better on low-cpu, low-mem
                       boxen.  on high-end boxes, they feel pretty much
                       identical, and mozilla has more features  --dbushong
                       \_ even low cpu isn't that big a deal (on my celeron 500
                          with 1 gig of ram, they're both quite fine). the
                          real killer is if you don't have much ram and have
                          to start paging stuff out.
                          \_ Killer for which?  I've got <512mb of ram but
                             1Ghz processor. Which is better for me?
                             \_ umm, i think i made it quite clear that ram
                                is the killer. i'm not quite sure what to
                                make of your "<512mb". Does that mean
                                256MB, 128MB, ...? it kinda starts to make
                                a difference when you get down there.