1/19 Are you changing your beef eating habits? How?
\_ I am probably being stupid, but do we know whether the agent which
causes 'mad cow disease' causes any human diseases? There was this
odd epidemic in england a few years ago, but I don't know of anything
conclusive. -- ilyas
\_ You get vCJD from eating cows with BSE (mad cow).
\_ you mean besides "variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease"?
http://www.cjdfoundation.org/CJDInfo.html
\_ Is there proof the agent responsible for the BSE causes
CJD? In fact, is there proof CJD is contagious in any way?
-- ilyas
\_ We're only eating Niman Ranch, now, for the most part. The biggest
thing we both miss is pho since it's made from beef bones. We're not
touching the stuff until there's something done to win back our
faith in the cattle industry.
\_ you know they've been doing what they're doing for years, and
you've been eating it for years, right?
\_ Grim, isn't it? Still, that's not reason enough to continue
now that we know the system is flawed.
\_ oh please. even if i'd told you, you'd still have eaten
beef. it was a real case that finally put the scare in you.
btw, for those who haven't, now would be a fine time to
read _fast food nation_.
\_ Try Whole Foods, or better yet, Prather Ranch. Prather ranch
has a closed herd, organic, no hormones or antibiotics. they
have a booth now at the ferry bldg (though, they didn't name
it prather ranch). You can also order stuff online, I think
at http://www.pratherranch.com At whole foods, you can ask about
the herds they supply from. usually they are hormone and
antibiotic free, and free-range.
\_ EMRG set to go up again bigtime tomrrow , also ICGE to follow
\_ thanks for the tips. Should we start buying beef stocks
that have been hit hard? Anyone still go to Outback
Steakhouse?
\_ I thought Outback sells Australian beef. No?
\_ As if that is safe?
\_ bones from Mad cow in Vietnamese restaurants we eat at by my
house in fremont, newark,hell yeah i am waiting for cows
to be tracked and tested for BSE.
\_ what?
\_ All your BSE are belong to us!!!
\_ Yes. No beef or cow organs at all now.
\_ do you think your fear is reasonable?
\_ Yes. Unlike other diseases, BSE can't be prevented by
thorough cooking. And unlike mercury, one dose of it is
thorough cooking. And unlike mercury, one doze of it is
enough to kill you.
\_ yes. Converted entire family to ban beef. Organic beef is a
possibility but haven't done it yet... and no, ANY risk of having
your brain rot without a cure is too much, so if anyone else has
stopped for that reason, I am with you.
\_ how about having your brain crushed in a car accident?
\_ that would be your choice. If I don't drive, I can't get to
work. If I don't eat beef, I eat less fat and cause less damage
to my digestive system... soo... that makes you a TROLL!!!
\_ hmm, no, that makes you stupid. your argument is totally
off base.
don't drive, the risks are too high!!!
\_ Unfortunately, yes. I figure it will take about 3 years to check
and purge the current herds and crush any stockyards that are still
misfeeding their cows. No cow products for me. My dog is still
getting steak, though. --loves a good steak, sadly
\_ I stopped eating all non-seafood meat about a month ago. I'll
start again when both houses and the whitehouse are controlled by
Democrats and the USDA is restructured to represent the citizen
instead of corporate interests. I'm not doing this out of fear of
contracting BSE, but rather to send the only kind of message those
bastards are capable of understanding that they will be
economically punished for their behavior. [formatd]
\_ won't companies who track mad cow become profitable?
\_ So you just swallow mercury and god only knows what else by the
bucket? You're better off with pork and chicken. Salmonella(sp?)
doesn't kill and I haven't heard of a trichinosis case in years.
\_ Did you read my post? It's not getting sick I'm worried about,
it's a boycott. The same companies that sell beef sell
chicken.
\_ If your reasons are purely political then you're off topic
anyway. Eating a fish based diet is pretty insane these
days. Good luck with that one.
\_ arrrrgggg! look, I'm not eating a "fish based diet,"
I'm eating a vegetarian diet where I won't go out of
my way to avoid fish occasionally. And it's not off
topic since it's a reaction to the policies that
caused the BSE scare in the first place.
caused the BSE scare in the first place.
\_ thank you for saving the world.
\_ I had already reduced my beef eating by quite a bit a few years ago,
and reinforced by the initial British scare. I still occasionally
eat some but I've decided to avoid ground beef as much as I can. I'm
somewhat concerned about the possibility of restaurants using beef
stuff in soups/broths etc. I actually enjoy vegetarian food, but I'm
no cook and restaurant choices are iffy. I order vegetarian when it
looks decent.
\_ didn't eat beef before, so no changes there. All organic/high-
quality chicken & pork only, occasional fish.
\_ I'm glad there's one thing that liberals believe in
self-control instead of govern't control.
\_ easy. those who sell bad beef go out of business. those
who sell free range, whatever-free, grain fed beef stay in
business and make a big profit. why is this so hard to
figure out? maybe you don't understand how the free market
works: it is reactive, not proactive. it punishes bad
behaviour and rewards good. the punishment is usually
corporate execution.
\_ please explain how your precious free market has protected
us from BSE so far, asshole.
\_ We still want an disinterested party to qualify the label of
organic, though.
\_ Self control sure isn't helping the fish not to have mercury
or the fish stocks even to be sustainably harvested.
\_ Christ. Chance of actually dying from this disease in Britain
is about 1 in 3 or 4 million. If you can't live with that sort
of risk, there is absolutely no activity on earth you can clear
yourself to partake in.
\_ Is that 1 in 3 or 4 million per meal including beef, or per year
or meals including beef?
\_ here's a case of using statistics to lie. good job.
\_ 60 million people in Britain, 20 die per year. It is per
inhabitant-of-Britain year lived.
\_ No, but I don't eat red meat that often. Occasional Korean BBQ
and steak.
\_ mmm.... kalbi... mmm...
\_ http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/16/brain.sandwich.ap/index.html
\_ Yo Queiro Taco Bell!!
'In California, cow brains are commonly sold as taco filling and
called by their Spanish name, "sesos."'
\_These are actually calf brains, and perfectly safe. BSE
cannot incubate in a calf's lifetime, and so there are no
mad calves. Eating veal is also perfectly safe.
\_ yes. it is. once it is in your brain you're fucked. if
the calf has BSE and you eat the brain, you should go
write your will while you still can.
\_ incubate?? That doesn't seem like the right word to use.
\_ Brains are all we ever get in this rotten fuckin' place,
hey hey brains are all we ever get
why can't we have a change of pace
brains for dinner
brains for lunch
brains for breakfast
brains for brunch
brains at every single meal why can't we have some guts!
\_ have some prions.
Isn't BSE a protein called a prion?
\_ "Brains... brains! Use your brains to help us." |
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