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1/9 Stupid chick. If you're bored and want to put her in her place, write
to Beverley_Sweeney@birdville.k12.tx.us.
http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/columnists/dave_lieber/7643262.html
\_ That's what you get for using Windows... Thankfully they
didn't install Linux/BSD on their machines and have someone
discover wall....
\- i guess you young'un dont know about the time jordan hubbard
"rwalled the whole internet" from evans hall ... including
either the head of DARPA or the IG, something like that. --psb
\- googling for jkh and rwall ... --psb
http://www-mice.cs.ucl.ac.uk/multimedia/misc/tcp_ip/8702.mm.www/0310.html
\_ May I ask how you even heard about this in the first place? Do
you live in Dallas?
\_ It was on slashdot yesterday. Anyway, it was the principal's
decision to suspend; he should take a good part of the blame
too. - !op
\_ It was on fark; I don't recall seeing it on slashdot, but
who knows. Anyway, she, not the principal, is supposed to be
the computer teacher, and I'd assume she's the one that
did most of the convincing that it wasn't harmless, but was
(here I would wiggle my fingers and say ooooh) "hacking." -op
\- The CSUA ought to send a letter about this. --psb
\_ Like what? "We, the members of CSUA, an official
and prominent organization of Berkeley's CompSci/EECS
dept. think you are an idiot. Have a nice day"
\- what do you suggest the CSUA do to justify itself?
anything beyond running a wall apppliance and
various junk-food related activities? if you dont
think there is more to say than "you are an idiot"
well i suppose i'll be charitable and not recyles
those words and just suggest maybe you should not be
the one to write the letter. --psb
\_ You gotta be kidding me, right? I mean, if you want
the CSUA to do something worthwhile then I can
think of ten things better than writing a letter
to a middle-aged elementary schoolteacher about
the nuances of hacking. I mean, if you really have
that much time on your hands to bother the poor
woman why don't you do something like go teach
a class on Perl open to all? Wouldn't that be
much more fucking constructive than spamming
an obviously close-minded and pea-brained
bible-belter? And yes, I have donated my
time to teaching DeCal classes in the recent past.
How does contributing to the slashdot flamefest she's
already getting really change anything? Get a clue.
-williamc
\_ Because we don't have to send the typical idiotic
slashdot spam crap. Making a small change in the
social fabric for the better is way more important
than teaching some friday Perl classes.
\_ That's not a bad idea actually.
\_ You write it Partha and I will sign it. |
| www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/columnists/dave_lieber/7643262.html -> www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/news/columnists/dave_lieber/7643262.html?1c The matter worked its way up to the principal, who eventually suspended Carl for three days. Rollins told me that students had been using campus computers in unacceptable ways, and he hoped to make an example of Carl. The Birdville school district does not have a written policy on what to do in this kind of situation, so the decision rested with the principal. I respect Rollins as a kind and sensitive educator, but in this particular case, he may have erred. But what I find more offensive is the unsolicited explanation I received from campus computer liaison Sweeney after I made my initial telephone call to Birdville district spokesman Mark Thomas to inquire about Carls suspension. Because Sweeney wrote her e-mail using her taxpayer-funded district e-mail account, it is a public document, and therefore, I quote it in full so we can all share insight into the mind of one of the educators who busted Carl for writing Hey! Lieber, I want to communicate to you my concerns about some of the reporting done by the Star-Telegram and my concern about an article I have heard you might be writing. Too often, people who do not know the real world of public education feel that they are the experts who have all the solutions and that their opinions are as valuable as those who live in this world daily. If you comment upon events that are reported to you by a parent and do not fully investigate those reports before you publish your article, then you are one of those people. I have not heard that you have attempted to contact those people who really know the situation. I am speaking about one incident in the Birdville School District in which a student was expelled for tampering with the districts computers. Having been a computer teacher in the real world of public education for many years, let me say that suspension of students who are guilty of such tampering sends a message to all students that is beneficial and necessary. Students should not be of the opinion that it is acceptable to abuse the privileges that are afforded them by the taxpayers. If they are allowed to experiment and do things on the computers that the teachers have not specifically given them permission to do, we would never get any computer education accomplished. Hacking into a system should be highest on the list of tampering violations. I believe the other students are now aware that the district takes this seriously and will not tolerate such misuse of our equipment. I invite you, parents, our state representatives, and anyone else that thinks they know how a teacher or a district should react to ANY situation to come live with us for a while - be a substitute teacher for a few weeks and learn the real world of public education. The first problem here is that Sweeney, a computer teacher, apparently doesnt understand the term hacking. Hacking is defined in two general ways: 1 use of a computer to break into someone elses computer system, and 2 the sophisticated techniques used by an adept computer programmer. But more troubling is the notion that Sweeney does not believe that the rest of us have any right to question the decisions made by public educators. As long as public school is public, the Beverly Sweeneys of the world need to know that it is our right and duty to look over their shoulders and question what they do. In this case, the punishment of Carl Grimmer was overkill, but the response of the schools computer liaison shows that public education really does demand greater oversight from us outsiders, certainly not less. |
| www-mice.cs.ucl.ac.uk/multimedia/misc/tcp_ip/8702.mm.www/0310.html ARPA: Re: Packet network reliability Next in thread: Dan Lynch: Re: My Broadcast By now, many of you have heard of or seen the broadcast message I sent to the net two days ago. I have since received 743 messages and have replied to every one either with a form letter, or more personally when questions were asked. The intention behind this effort was to show that I wasnt interested in doing what I did maliciously or in hiding out afterwards and avoiding the repercussions. One of the people who received my message was Dennis Perry, the Inspector General of the ARPAnet in the Pentagon, and he wasnt exactly pleased. I head a small group here at Berkeley called the Distributed Unix Group. What that essentially means is that I come up with Unix distribution software for workstations on campus. Part of this job entails seeing where some of the novice administrators were creating will hang themselves, and hopefully prevent them from doing so. Yesterday, I finally got around to looking at the broadcast group in /etc/netgroup which was set to ,,. It was obvious that this was set up for rwall to use, so I read the documentation on netgroup and rwall. Reading a bit further down, one sees discussion on yellow-pages domains and might be led to believe that everyone was everyone in your domain. I know that rwall uses point-to-point RPC connections, so I didnt feel that this was what they meant, just that it seemed to be the implication. One might infer that rwall did indeed use actual broadcast packets. Failing to find anything that might suggest that rwall would do anything nasty beyond the bounds of the current domain or at least up to the IMP, I tried it. I knew that rwall takes awhile to do its stuff, so I left it running and went back to my office. Any fool can write rwall, and just about any fool can get root priviledge on a Sun workstation. It seems that the place to fix the problem is on the receiving ends. The only other alternative would be to tighten up all the IMP gateways to forward packets only from trusted hosts. I dont like that at all, from a standpoint of reduced convenience and productivity. Also, since many places are adding hosts at a phenominal rate ourselves especially, it would be hard to keep such a database up to date. Many perfectly well- behaved people would suffer for the potential sins of a few. I certainly dont intend to do this again, but Im very curious as to what will happen as a result. A lot of people got walld, and I would think that they would be annoyed that their machine would let someone from the opposite side of the continent do such a thing! |