1/6     I've changed my mind about Dean.  I'm a conservative non-Republican
        who was previously in favor of Dean because I figured he'd get
        crushed (I still think this).  I read the WSJ write up on him
        yesterday and they explained at great length and detail how he's
        really a silver spoon money bags pro-business north easterner with
        a deep background in trading, business, and wall street.  Right up
        my alley as a candidate.  So Bush vs. Dean is the ultimate win/win
        for a non-(R) conservative like me.  They had a shorter writeup on
        Clark who would also be a win/win for people like me.  So I say,
        Go Bush!  Go Dean!  Go Clark! and in a pinch I'd be ok with Lieberman
        if that's what happened.
        \_ But what about his opposition to the war?  This seems to me the
           major issue of the campaign, and its why I support Dean.
           \_ He's a governor.  He didn't have to vote on it during a hot
              political time when everyone else voted 'yes' on it.  If he was
              a senator or congressman I'm sure he would have.  I think his
              anti-war stance is a fraud created to set him apart from the
              others and give him the 'outsider' look he needed.  If you're
              an outsider, (and as someone with no federal experience, he is),
              you might as well play it up. --op
        \_ I'm a fairly liberal voter, and I tend to agree with you.  I think
           a vote for Dean is about the same as a vote for McCain.  I also
                                        \- dean is pro-life? --psb
           think Dean's the only candidate out there with any chance of
           beating Bush, so Dean benefits from my utter hatred of his opponent.
           It's not a great scenario for a social lib like me, but I'll take
           what I can get.
           \_ Why do you have 'utter hatred' for Bush?  I never understood that
              from you libs.  I would have preferred a different President in
              some ways when Clinton was in office but I didn't 'utterly hate'
              him.  I didn't 'utterly hate' Carter either although he was one
              of the worst Presidents we've had, maybe ever.  --op
              \_ What was so bad about Carter?  I ask not as a lib but as a
                 young'un.
              \_ Bush is an arrogant, cocky, shit talking SOB who never
                 worked a day in his life, never studied hard and got
                 everything he ever wanted because of family connections.
                 I would dislike him in any case, but his politics make
                 me utterly disdain him. He is a reckless and dangerous
                 individual who should not be allowed to operate heavy
                 machinery, much less the country. -!op
                 \_ seconded.  I'm giving more money to dean's campaign
                    than i've ever given to any campaign in my life, and
                    if the democrats fuck this up again, I'm leaving the country\
                    and training for the revolulution in northern canada.
                    I'm ready to go to war if needed to fight the bush types
                    of the world.
                    \_ Good riddance