12/29 I am hearing less and less about AMD computers. Almost every local
store is selling intel inside machines. Is AMD fading away? What
was the third chip maker? There was Intel, AMD, and one other
competitor, but I have already forgotten its name.
\_ Stock went from around 5 to around 15 in the past six. Don't know
what that means, except wall street seems to think there is value
in AMD. As for 64 vs. 32, people didn't know what to do when 32
vs. 16 came out, then came Windows 3.0. I guess you can write
bigger bloatware, since now you can address a lot more space...
\_ umm, do you hear much about computers at all?
\_ Cyrix, see wikipedia for a history. AMD has a relatively
inexpensive 64-bit CPU, but there is no demonstrated consumer
benefit for it.
\_ there are a few "third" chip makers. i don't know if cyrix is
even still around, these days it's probably VIA. transmeta too,
but they're more of a laptop thing.
\_ Cyrix was bought out by National during the good days, then
National basically went South (and is continuing the long,
painful slide to oblivion to this day). They sold the assets
for Cyrix to VIA, which has basically done nothing with it.
National didn't do much with Cyrix either, except sell a couple
for embedded products. Problem with Cyrix is that chips always
get cheaper, and it doesn't make sense to build low performance
low margin chips that are going to be obsolete in two months.
What you want to do is build high-end high margin chips and
live off of the skim until it becomes commoditized.
\_ thanks, much more informative response than the first non-sense.
\_ nonsense begets nonsense.
\_ ah, you loose. just look at how this thread has grown.
\_ probably lose, too. we weren't talking about yermom.
\_ you mean the fact that it runs faster, runs cooler, costs less
and out performs Intel's best? hmmm, yeah, and no one will ever
need more than 640k either.
\_ faster is up for grabs; cooler is marginal (89 watts vs.
100+ watts?); costs less is true. I should have written that
there's no consumer benefit to the 64 bits.
\_ Try 45 watts in the real world. See real world benchmarks
on your favorite website for faster.
\_ Are you talking about the desktop Athlon 64? Please
post a link to the 45W claim - I'm very interested.
I wasn't able to find any heat data beyond "89W" for
the Athlon 64 FX on tomshardware or anandtech.
And actually I also see 89W Thermal Design Power for
the FX, 3000+ and 3200+ on http://amd.com.
\_ Until MS Office 2005 ships with a minimum RAM
requirement > 4Gb thanks to the integration of
the Yukon database throughout.
\_ There's a conspiracy between M$ and Intel. M$ keeps
cranking out slower and slower software so that people
have to buy faster and faster CPUs.
\_ Well, maybe not a conspiracy.. Let's call it a
friendly mutual arrangement.
\_ Wasn't java more CPU speed demanding to offset java's
inherent slowness? Also, it's more Memory demanding.
\_ There isn't any new software that people care about
that needs much speed. Even new games don't need the
latest stuff.
\_ Doesn't matter, Microsoft & other makers
keep requiring more and more speed and
do as much as possible to make it hard
to continue using older versions with
lower requirements.
\_ NP-hard problems need speed.
\_ Indeed. What NP-hard problem is the mass market
so intent on solving?
\_ Now you deftly (?) went from 'people care
about' to 'mass market.' People care about
NP-hard problems, my friend. Otherwise
there wouldn't be a name for them.
P.S. You are an idiot.
\_ the thread was about "consumer benefit"
and desktop computers, dickwad.
\_ Jesus you can't be this dense. Let
me spell it out for you. Anyone who
P.S. I remain an idiot.
needs a computer is a 'consumer'.
Some people who need computers use
them for real sciency sorts of things.
Like munging astrophysics data, or
solving scheduling problems. Those
people care about fast computers.
P.S. You remain an idiot.
\_ YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE THE BALL
LICKERS.
\_ that stuff is research/industry.
not "consumers".
\- Linux grep needs a lot of speed. --psb
\_ don't use linux grep.
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