12/13 "Organizers charge white students $1 for a cookie, while blacks and
other minorities pay 25 to 95 cents. Doughnuts are available for 50
cents to everyone except Asian Americans and whites, who cannot
purchase them... Unfair? So is affirmative action, organizers contend."
from http://csua.org/u/5d4
\_ The most pathetic thing is that these stunts were first pulled
by conservatives at UM during their recent affirmative action
debate, and it appears on the news wires every time some imitators
buy a couple of poster boards and $20 of cookies at the local
supermarket. (The people who were suing UM were horribly deluded
to think that their race kept them out, btw.) And also, wtf wants
to go to UW?
\_ Not everyone can get into your rich little white boy school.
\_ How come Asian Americans cannot purchase them? -asian am
\_ There are no asians in Washington.
\_ Because Asian Americans, like whites, need higher GPAs and test
scores to get admitted compared to applicants of other races.
\_ that is sooooo untrue. Look at Vietnamnese people. I've
roomed with 2 of them and 1 of them was a total complete
loser who liked to mod his car with ugly looking spoilers.
The other one was a thief who took my mail and stole
my CC # to buy things. Both of them went to VCs.
\_ VCs = vietcongs?
\_ Trolling with public funds. Obtaining cookies has an even playing
field. Education does not.
\_ Wtf does 'even playing field' even mean? What about poor white
immigrants, etc?
\_ At the most distilled, Opportunity. Anything from parents
that actually know that they should help you learn (and
hopefully had an education themselves) to having a teacher
that recognizes your individual needs in education and has
the funds and time to address them. --scotsman
p.s. and before you get your panties in a bunch, no, race
lines are not a perfect way to draw the boundaries, but
strangely enough, the economic and racial lines show a
strong corellation.
\_ Then why not just choose economic lines and ignore race?
Do you seriously believe that middle class black parents
will raise their kids less well or know less than poor
white trash from the sticks? Doing anything by race is
evil. No bullshit. No excuses.
\_ Do you seriously believe that racism is not still a
part of the problem? And "anything by race is evil" is
a little strong. Look at the reasons Prop 54 went down
so hard. There are real divisions in terms of health
care and education that must be addressed in terms of
race/culture. --scotsman
\_ Nice dodge. What about those middle class black kids
vs. the poor white kids? Go read your own words
above starting with "Opportunity. Anything from
parents...". Stop ducking and please answer.
\_ It's not a dodge. It's multiple parts of
the problem of education. There is racism, and
there is insufficient funding and opportunity
for poorer schools/students etc. There is no
panacea. Racism has perhaps garnered more
attention, but calling it solved is ludicrous.
Scholastic funding for poor areas is a problem
that has headed in the wrong direction for a
long time. --scotsman
\_ Ben, what problem are you solving? Are you
solving: (a) that some parents are idiots,
and don't instill the value of education in
their kids (such people exist in all races)
(b) that some people are poor and some are not
(such people exist in all races) or
(c) racist attitudes about some people (they
exist about people of all races, in particular
jews, members of the caucasian race, have been
the 'beneficiaries' of racism for thousands of
years). So, which problem is it? And why
penalize whites, regardless of which of the
three it is? -- ilyas
\_ I am not a communist as you believe,
ilya, but I do believe that education and
health care are rights that everyone should
be guaranteed. I think that racism impinges
on peoples' access to education. I think
that the best teachers spend nearly as much
time educating parents as they do on their
students (which shouldn't be necessary, but
is). I think the phrase "benefitting from
racism" is loaded, and as unhelpful to
discourse as comparing affirmative action
to cookies is. Returning to the financial
aspect, I believe investment in education
has a higher return that most people suppose,
and deserves more funding than we have
devoted thus far. --scotsman
\_ Let me ask this again. What justification
do you have for penalizing whites?
It doesn't have to be moral, it could
be pragmatic. I just want to know what
the justification is, because I don't
think it has been articulated yet.
-- ilyas
\_ Refer to history. Social movements brought us here.
Helping the poor is not what the rich do... Helping
those who were socially outcast has much more political
leverage. Besides the "Poor" don't vote...
\_ Helping the poor is exactly what the rich do. It is
not what the middle class does because they can't
afford it. That's why you get ultra rich leftists
like Gates and Buffet saying taxes are too low. They
don't care what the tax rates are because it doesn't
mean anything to them but it makes them feel less
guilty to know they may have helped some poor people
(at the real world expense of the middle class). So,
anyway, you seem to be saying that we should help
the middle class black kid but ignore the poor white
kid... because he's white? Brilliant. Glad you're
\_ Then you're reading me wrong.
not making public policy. It's already fucked up
enough. At least today that poor white kid can get
*some* help for being poor, although not as much as
the middle class black kid. In your world, the black
kid would get 100% and the white kid nothing solely
because of the color of their skin. Sickening.
\_ I should make one correction. Gates is NOT
a leftist. Gates is a big Ayn Rand fan.
\_ He probably meant Gates Sr.
\- "help help. i am an item." i really really hope the aclu
gets involved in this one. --psb |
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