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12/19   How do you get Firebird to handle new file types? Sometimes it tries to
        open binary files in the browser window.
        \_ You can shift-enter on the location bar to force-save the file, or
           wait for 0.8 to fix this issue (branch has already been cut for
           release): http://mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=4104
           \_ I don't understand why all the Netscape-like browsers do this.
              What's up with the shift-click thing all these years?
                \_ What's up is that the server is sending the wrong
                   Content-Type (probably text/html or text/plain if
                   Firebird tries to display it in the browser window) for
                   binary files.  The reason it might work with IE is that
                   IE violates RFCs by guessing what the content-type really
                   is by looking at the file extension.  -tom
                   \_ I see.  I prefer the functional RFC violation to the
                      geeky, correct, but non-functional version.
                      \_ You think the violation is functional because
                        you think Microsoft is the center of Universe and
                        Windows + Intel PC is the only kind of computer
                        on face of the earth.  Fortunately, there are a lot
                        of geeks who are actually doing productive things
                        on other Hardware/software platform so you don't have
                        to learn another OS, or learn how to type up a paper
                        without using the Word which  you pirated.
                        \_ Actually it's extremely unlikely you know more
                           systems than I do.  Unlike you, I've learned that it
                           is better when they just work, rather than blindly
                           follow an arbitrary standard which makes the apps
                           less functional.  I bought Word.  I also paid for
                           my personal copy of Solaris.  When in school and I
                           couldn't afford Word, I wrote my papers in troff
                           while everyone else was still using type writers or
                           the very few computers available on campus.  What
                           were *you* writing your college papers on in the
                           80s?
                           \_ functional violations of the standard by
                              monpolies are always bad. they make the monopoly
                              stronger. if all the small players don't adhere
                              to the standard and do adhoc shit, they lose
                              to the big player. so blame either the standard
                              or the webmasters. i don't think the browser is
                              at fault.
                              you're an idiot for using troff. -ali.
                                \_ he's actually a liar and a troll for saying
                                he used troff. he's an idiot for implying that
                                was a good thing.
                                \_ i only lied about being a troll. -clooney
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However, critical trunk fixes will be merged into the new Firebird 08 branch. They will feature a new mechanism for handling files served with a text/plain MIME type and new front end for XPInstall the code used for installing things like extensions. Read Ben Goodgers post to the Firebird General forum for more information about the 08 branch . This situation is not substantially worse than before, since content without a proper character set header has always been run though a sniffer to try and determine the encoding being used - the standards dictate in this case that it should be displayed as US-ACSII instead. This differs substanitially from the current behavior of IE in that there are very few situations in which content served from a correctly set up server will be handled incorrectly. As jgraham explains, this non-standard behaviour is only going to happen in a limited set of circumstances. Those circumstances are ones which only happen if the server is not following the standards, which was an important factor in considering this change. IEs behaviour causes wrong things to happen when the server is following standards - Mozillas behaviour wont. When a file is served as text/plain happens to me most often with RAR files you can click in the URL bar and press Shift-Enter to allow you to save the file 16 Re: Dont switch browsers by polidobj Thursday December 18th, 2003 10:15 AM Reply to this message Or right click on the link and select Save Link to Disk. It annoys me when a webserver does not have the correct MIME types set. I had a problem with msi files on a website I maintain at work being sent with text/plain. I asked to have it fixed and now it works correctly for gecko browsers. But I didnt notice this problem when testing because my test server happened to be setup correctly beings its IIS. Brian P 3 Moz 10 by pbreit Wednesday December 17th, 2003 10:48 PM Reply to this message Any word on when Firebird will become Mozilla 10? Currenlty, anyone that says Mozilla 10 can make the assumption that it is from the suite. However, when and if Firebird is released as Mozilla 10, then there will be the new Mozilla 10 Browser and the old Mozilla 10 Suite Browser. I suppose you could call the new browser Mozilla Firebird 10, but it was my understanding that Firebird was just a code name for the project until it goes 10, after which time it will be dropped. I really think that Firebird should be called 20, and the Mozilla Suite should never exceed version 19, but thats just my opinion. Anything that isnt completely specific to the suites UI also goes into Thunderbird and Firebird. Its hardly a waste, many companies that support Mozilla both financially and merely by using their product want the suite to continue, and Firebird and Thunderbird are still buggy enough that they shouldnt completely replace the suite. The people in charge of the project include many professional software developers and managers, do you honestly believe theyre just too stupid to see things your way? Firebird used to load under ten seconds on my machine, but this new monster takes under THREE! How the developers managed that without preloading which Seamonkey and Internet Explorer use to cheat their startup times is beyond me. PS With all the work that Ben Goodger seems to be doing in Bugzilla lately, perhaps this release should be nicknamed Benbird? Now that I think of it, almost all open source software gets faster with every release. OK, admittedly, mozilla came from far back in the performance game, but now it matches up pretty much equally with IE, and its still getting faster. By the way, I have a linux box that firebird 07 takes about 7 seconds to start on. The first mozilla release I used as main browser on there was M18, and it took 22 seconds to start. Back then it would frustrate me to no end if the browser crashed, not because I lost session, but because I had to take a coffee break while it restarted. TTF and when I clink on the corresponding link I get the option to use a program to open or save it to disk as the file is of type application/octet-stream Binary Executable which it obviously is not. So when I go to the preferences to try and associate the file type with an application I find that mozilla defaults the file type specified in the helper application setting to lower case. Which in turn means that I no longer get prompted to either download or use a file to open it, I get simlpe get a message that explians there is a problem with the page. TTF and when I clink on the corresponding link I get the option to use a program to open or save it to disk as the file is of type application/octet-stream Binary Executable which it obviously is not. So when I go to the preferences to try and associate the file type with an application I find that mozilla defaults the file type specified in the helper application setting to lower case. Which in turn means that I no longer get prompted to either download or use a file to open it, I get simlpe get a message that explians there is a problem with the page. TTF and when I clink on the corresponding link I get the option to use a program to open or save it to disk as the file is of type application/octet-stream Binary Executable which it obviously is not. So when I go to the preferences to try and associate the file type with an application I find that mozilla defaults the file type specified in the helper application setting to lower case. Which in turn means that I no longer get prompted to either download or use a file to open it, I get simlpe get a message that explians there is a problem with the page. TTF and when I clink on the corresponding link I get the option to use a program to open or save it to disk as the file is of type application/octet-stream Binary Executable which it obviously is not. So when I go to the preferences to try and associate the file type with an application I find that mozilla defaults the file type specified in the helper application setting to lower case. Which in turn means that I no longer get prompted to either download or use a file to open it, I get simlpe get a message that explians there is a problem with the page.