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12/16   Follow-up on the Orson Scott Card thing.  If you want to know why
        he's a loony, read this old interview with him:
        http://dir.salon.com/books/feature/2000/02/03/card/index.html?pn=1
        \_ Ok I have got to be one of the most liberal posters on MOTD and
           Card does NOT sound like an asshole to me.  He calmly states the
           standard Mormon reason for "protecting marriage" only when pressed,
           and never states any kind of "affection for communism," so I can
           only imagine what you think you are talking about.  If anything
           the lesbian author of the article editorializes far beyond the
           limits of responsible journalism and comes off as shrill and
           intolerant.  I don't know what her problem is, and she wouldn't
           last two seconds outside of her safe little lefty bubble.  As for
           Card... writing off all Mormons as "loonies" is basically what you'd
           be doing, which is of course your choice.
        \_ But actually, his repugnant views on just about everything are
           right in line with typical motd thinking, besides the weird
           affection for communism that he displays...so never mind.  Don't
           bother. --op
           \_ what "repugnant views" would you be talking about?
              \_ " I believe government has a strong role to protect us
                   from capitalism." C'mon, don't you find that repugnant!?
                 \_ No.  I'm a full on right wing conservative and I do *not*
                    believe in full on fuck-you-all capitalism.  That sort of
                    thing leads directly to slavery.  No thanks.
                 \_ Child labor laws, the EPA, and the weekend are all things
                    the government has instituted to protect us from
                    capitalism.
           \_ jeez, he's just a sci fi writer.  the amazing thing is that
              it would appear that the motd wants to hold its novelists
              to higher standards than its political pundits.
              Card never really claims to be an authority on modern politics,
              just a science fiction writer.
        \_Was this somekind of wierd troll?  The woman interviewing him
          is obviously an idiot.  Card sounds very reasonable, and has
          some interesting points.
          \_ Oh, like that gay rights are "ridiculous," communism is
             something that hasn't even been properly tried yet, and the
             Vietnam war was a heroic and selfless sacrifice?  Its amazing
             how predictable the soda motd can be.  We should just change
             the name of the file to /etc/motd.public.fundies
                \_ the gay rights thing is a little much, but he doesn't say
                   gay rights are ridiculous... he is parroting the same
                   Mormon notion that "marriage" means a particular thing.
                   He also doesn't say the Vietnam war was a selfless
                   sacrifice... he says FIGHTING in it was.  And no, communism
                   was NOT tried in the USSR.  Communism can work on a small
                   scale- go get pizza at Cheeseboard.
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dir.salon.com/books/feature/2000/02/03/card/index.html?pn=1
Science-fiction writer Orson Scott Card wrote one of my favorite books of all time. So when he came out with a sequel, I was delirious with the desire to interview him. Enders Game, which won the Hugo and Nebula awards in 1985, is the best book I have ever read about violence. Who would have thought it would result in an interview in which I wanted to throttle the author? Enders Game is also about loving your enemies, a goal so important to me that I wrote a book about it myself. How could I guess that interviewing the author would make me question that entire project? A strangely empathic novel about 6-year-olds forced to be military commanders, Enders Game brought together a fan base that might reasonably be expected to be at one anothers throats in some cases literally: progressives, children and soldiers. It was cherished by middle-schoolers and adults harrowed by child abuse; And as for me, well, Im a Jewish lesbian radical who wrote a book about what I have in common with the Christian right, so Cards paradoxes are right up my alley. Cards hero, Ender, is an abused little boy being trained to fight alien enemies called the Buggers. His teachers have chosen him because hes compassionate enough to love and hence to understand his enemies, but ruthless and scared enough to wipe them off the face of the earth. The sequel, Enders Shadow, is about another child who thinks he has to choose between love and survival. Its hero, Bean, is a starving toddler in a hellish future city where children fight each other for food. Bean eventually makes it into the Battle School where Enders being taught to exterminate the Buggers. I knew that Card, like his readership, was an outrageous hodgepodge. He writes strange, passionate books full of yearning but no sex and ardent little boys frisking around in zero gravity pretending to shoot each other. A devout Mormon, he is squeaky clean but adorably perverse and the author of a hit Mormon musical called Barefoot to Zion, which celebrates the sesquicentennial of the entry of the Mormon pioneers into Salt Lake Valley. But Id somehow failed to ascertain that Card was a disgustingly outspoken homophobe. And given his books brilliant, humane examination of the ethics of violence, I couldnt have predicted hed be someone who thought it was dandy to bomb and massacre civilians. I think Ezra Pound should have been allowed to remain in the Poets Corner of New Yorks Cathedral of St. John the Divine because his fascism and anti-Semitism will never make him a less beautiful poet. I have great fun reading Andrea Dworkin, even though I agree with her about exactly one thing: Rape is bad. And Allan Blooms translation of Platos Republic is fantastic and remains fantastic, even though his politics were gross. But its one thing to admire a bigot on the page, and another to endure a two-hour conversation with one. Talking to Klansmen was nothing compared to talking to the author of the most ethical book Ive ever read. Writers I like are like people I have crushes on - my feelings for them are among the most intense feelings I have. As a reporter, Im here to draw out contradictions in my hero, not just celebrate them. You seem to like the military, I begin, but youre also hugely concerned with ethics. Whats your opinion of most of the wars the United States has been involved in since World War II? I have great respect for the people who offer themselves in that sacrificial role, says Card, whose voice is mellifluous and macho at once. But I also have great criticisms of the way the military is currently organized. But our entry into the Korean and Vietnam wars reflect very well upon the American people. The motive was not imperialistic at all, but genuinely altruistic. We were willing to send our children off to war to protect, as we saw it - as we were told to see it - to protect the freedom of other nations. And like Ender, if we were lied to, were still not responsible for the actions we took based on what we believed. The Grenada thing - I think the record is absolutely clear that that was a good thing. Its on the really big issues that he and I will find our commonalities. But what about the issue of the specific means that were used in those wars, like killing civilians?