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| 2003/12/16 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:11473 Activity:moderate |
12/15 Saddam almost blown to bits!: (cnn.com)
They heard noises from below. They were about to execute a "clearing
procedure" -- firing into the hole or dropping a grenade into it --
when someone saw upraised hands belonging to a bearded, bedraggled
man. The man had a pistol but did not fire it. When the soldiers
assisted the man from the hole, he said, in English: "I am Saddam
Hussein. I am the president of Iraq. I want to negotiate."
- jctwu
\_ so he's back working for the CIA then?
\_ weak! his sons fought like heros, and he himself is willing to
be captured alive and face trial which is nothing but unjust
humiliation.
\_ Humiliation? That's a bizarre arab concept that didn't appear
in our press until the palestinians whined constantly about
humiliation since they had no other real beef with the jews in
comparison to how other arabs treated and still treat them.
\_ Unjust humiliation? You know, I have a real hard time feeling
much sympathy.
\_ of course. You would have real hard time to see why this
is a war of pure aggression, as we are still trying to
find excuse to justify our invasion.
\_ He will face justice on Earth and in heaven,
says acid bath victim
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1041100/posts
\_ So shall we (ok, only in heaven), who provided him
the chemical agents, and kept quiet when he was
acid bathing the kurds.
\_ If Reagan/Bush had wanted to interfere
your parents and their associates would have
been screaming bloody murder about all of the
people killed and state sovereignty, just as
you do today; sorry you're argument is inane.
It was politically inexpedient at the time.
The difference is Bush was willing to
expend the political capital.
And please stop propagating lies: there
was a university transfer
of two biological agents for research.
Again, apart from the strains, in terms of
equipment for chemical weapons
it was supplied by Europe, (France, Germany)
Russia and China. How do you reconcile
this with their position today?
\_ Ah, "politically inexpedient". What an
excuse. Saddam could also say that if
he didn't keep the Kurds and Shiites under
control those two groups would butcher the
Sunnis the moment they have the chance, or
at the very least, fragment his country.
He could argue that he invaded Iran to
stop the Shiite brand of Islamic militancy
and its threat to Iraq. He could argue that
he invaded Kuwait because Kuwait is stealing
his country's oil, its lifeblood. The person
above is talking about justice and heaven, and
last I check (be it the Koran or the Bible),
God says to do the right thing, not to do
the politically expedient thing.
\_ Saddam could argue anything he likes but it
wouldn't be true. All you've done is create
a short list of Saddam's crimes.
\_ Crimes? Nah, they ain't crimes. They
are all politically necessary, or should
I say, expedient ... snicker.
\_ If you're not interested in discussing
anything don't bother scribbling on the
motd. Oh ho, you're so clever, snicker,
yadda whatever.
\_ Thanks for admitting that your
"politically inexpedient" excuse has
been debunked.
\_ The deadliest weapon in the world is a
Marine and his rifle. It is your killer
instinct which must be harnessed if you expect
to survive in combat. Your rifle is only a tool.
It is the hard heart that kills. If your killer
instincts are not clean and strong, you will
hesitate at the moment of truth. You will not
kill. You will become dead Marines. And then
you will be in a world of shit, because Marines
are not allowed to die without permission!
Do you maggots understand?
\_ SIR! YESIR!
\_ So shall we, who provided him the chemical agents. |
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| www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1041100/posts He will face justice on Earth and in heaven, says acid bath victim The Times UK 12/16/03 James Hider Posted on 12/15/2003 7:40:33 PM PST by saquin NOT many people survived Saddam Husseins acid baths in the notorious torture cells of the Palace of the End. Fewer yet will have the chance to confront the brutal dictator with their scarred flesh. For Abdulwahad al-Obeidi, however, just such a moment of reckoning is looming after three decades of pain. Mr Al-Obeidi, a polite and gentle man of 63, has been asked by the Iraqi Governing Council and the ministry of human rights to join a group of 25 victims of Saddams torture cells to visit the jailed tyrant and confront him with the physical evidence of his brutal regime. That evidence is a vast scar that covers his back, his arms and sides, indelible evidence of what once went on in Saddams name in Iraqs packed prisons. Mr Al-Obeidi survived being dipped in an acid pool, an experience that was expected to lead to a cruel, lingering death. I want to say to Saddam, You and your regime denied you had such torture while the Iraqi people have the evidence that political prisoners were tortured. When Mr Al-Obeidi was a naval captain in the early 1970s, he insisted on reserving a room aboard his ship for daily prayers at a time when Saddams secular Baath party was cracking down on religious groups. Accused of organising an Islamic resistance party, he was jailed in a Baghdad prison know as the Palace of the End where every week he was forced to watch as Saddams chief torturer, Nadhim Kazzar, selected one prisoner, insulted him and then emptied a pistol magazine into him. He would say, This was his fate, and this too will be your destiny, Mr Al-Obeidi said. Jailed in 1971, three years after Saddams Baath Party seized power, he was incarcerated and tortured for two years. He endured regular beatings, when his guards would hang him upside down and whip him with electrical cables. His children were banned from taking any job in the public sector, while his son Ahmed was himself detained on trumped-up charges of dodging military duty and tortured. Then, in 1973, a group of guards took him to the death room, where prisoners were dispatched in a gruesome manner, dropped into a pool of acid. The men held Mr alObeidis arms and legs and, for a second, dipped his back into the bath. I felt at that moment, and it may have been just seconds, that the heat inside my body was 1,000 degrees, he said in a calm voice born of 30 years of suffering. Expecting him to die the skin was burned off his back, exposing the vertebrae in places Mr Al-Obeidis tormentors released him from prison. Somehow he managed to hang on long enough for his family to sneak him out of the country to England, where he spent six months receiving treatment at Londons Westminster Hospital. For fear of his story leaking out, he told the doctors he was suffering from cancer, although he suspects they never believed him. They treated him anyway, discreetly avoiding any probing questions. When he had recovered, he returned to his family in Iraq, where he now works as a muezzin, calling the faithful to prayer at his local mosque. The ultimate penalty will be Gods justice, said Mr Al-Obeidi, who is ready to testify against Saddam when he eventually stands trial. He did not, however, express an opinion on whether the former dictator should be executed. I believe in justice, I dont want any specific thing to happen to him, he said. As a Muslim, he recalled the Koranic proverb, With oppression comes bad luck for the oppressor. Mr Al-Obeidi is convinced that Saddam is already suffering divine retribution, and he cites the cramped and undignified hole in which he was forced to live when US soldiers arrested him on Saturday evening. He must have had time to reflect on what he did and how he put so many people in such cells for no reason, and to think about both the sons who were so dear to him. Uday and Qusay Hussein were killed in a gunfight with American forces in July. Mr Al-Obeidis daughter thinks such a fate would be too good for Saddam. I think he should be put in a cage in the zoo and every Iraqi should be able to punish him however he sees fit, she said. While they are there, they should be allowed to put one of Saddams legs through one of plastic shredders Uday and Qusay loved so much. Old cowboy movies had bad guys drug behind horses, a little faster than bad guys could run, for a long time. Drag him through Kuwait, north through Iraq, finally into the Kurd regions, behind a horse, with an Iraq military escort and a doctor-to keep him from being killed prematurely by angry mobs or road-rash. Then let the Kurds play that game on horseback-the one where they play keepaway with a calf-carcass-with whats left of Saddams person. |
| cnn.com -> www.cnn.com/ About 250 prisoners freed from Abu Ghraib The United States today freed about 250 detainees from Abu Ghraib prison, site of alleged abuses that prompted global outrage and led to days of hearings on Capitol Hill. Today marks the first mass prisoner release since the abuse scandal broke several weeks ago. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had visited the prison Thursday. |