12/13   If the Japanese never attacked Pearl Harbor, would America still
        have bothered attacking Japan?
        \_ The Japanese thought so.
        \_ after they took over all of asia, the US would probably start
           to think about it.  And yes, that was the plan!
        \_ If pigs learned to fly, would hell freeze over?
           \_ If frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their asses so much.
        \_ Japan would have attacked the Philippines, and the United States
           controlled the Philippines, so they would have still been
           in the war.
        \_ Eventually, possibly.  The US were fairly preoccupied with Europe
           at the time.  -John
        \_ It's hard for Japan not to attack USA.  USA cut scrap iron and
           petroleum export to Japan (two most important thing for Japanese),
           USA was also providing fighter planes and military training
           /consulting  to the Chinese nationalist army.  USA's gunboat
           was patroling up and down the Yanzi River (attending the so-called
           property of free-trade).   Not that I like Japan, but USA was
           engaging in act of war against Japan well before the Pearl Harbor.
           \_ Hey, asian nationalist troll, you should meet up for drinks
              with chicom troll.  You'd get on like gangbusters.  -John
                \_ John is an intelligent fella. Yep.
              \_ I heard this viewpoint, as well. There is some merit
                 to it. -!op
        \_ US doesn't need to attack Japan.  It can screw Japan in many
           other ways.  Japan has itself to blame though for stupidly
           attacking China, which is too big for it to swallow, even when
           KMT and CCP can't be bothered to fight Japan, preferring to
           save strength to fight each other.  US is bad country too,
           occupying Filipines, forcing Japan to trade with US, and
           messing around in China (helping the Manchu dynasty against
           Taiping rebels, selling opium in China, etc.).  However US
           did do a few good things once in a while, like whacking
           Japanese Imperialists, spreading Christianity in China,
                                  \_ and that was good... how?
           and returning boxer-rebellion "reparation" money to China to
          today graduated from.  Most of Tsinghua's graduates love to
          come to US, at least used to.
           build schools like Tsinghua (Qinghua) University,
           from which all these commie sotware programmers we see
           today graduated from.  Most of these commie Tsinghua's
           graduates love to come to US, at least used to.
                                - the I-want-to-confuse-John troll
                \_ US did a few good things, like spreading Christianity?