12/9 I can understand why china doesn't want taiwan to be independent.
But what i don't understand is why they're so worked up about
the proposed reffurendum in taiwan, given that for all practical
purposes taiwan *is* independent. is it just a pride thing?
if taiwan already has an independently elected government, an
independent armed forces and pays no taxes to the mainland
what the hell difference does it make to beijing what they
claim in some vote?
\_ http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=516&e=3&u=/ap/20031209/ap_on_re_as/us_china
Bush publicly opposes independence. So much for independence.
\_ Support for an Independent Taiwan was the only positive thing I
saw in the Bush Administration. And now that's gone, too.
Jayzus H. Keerist, can no one see what a whore this man is?
\_ one China one Nation.
\_ I read in "Guns Germs and Steel" that one factor that held up
China from developing into a world power pre-1492 was that it
was a single political entity at the whims of the emperor. i.e.
They had a world class fleet they could have used to dominate
with but they just decided to do away with it, as the result
of a political struggle between factions in the imperial court.
\_ I'm a little curious too. I think it's about saving face. Right
now they can say "We're China, and there is one rebellious province"
If there's too much talk of independance, it rubs their nose in the
fact that the civil war was really fought to an impasse, and the
communist revolutionaries didn't totally win.
\_ one word: communism. "Taiwan has all the goodies, and we want
them too."
\_ China is all about stability. They rule by the atmosphere of
"if you stick out, we'll stomp you". They'll roll over college
students with a tank, and have no problem shooting live rounds.
Do you have a problem? Then you belong in a Chinese prison for
20 years as a political prisoner.
If China lets Taiwan become independent, it fears that its own
citizens will get ideas.
\_ what do you think the US will do if our civil war didn't end
the way it did? Do you think if California decides to become
independent (I don't see why not since we are not getting any
fucking shit from the federal government), everything will
go smoothly? It's not about saving face. It's about national
unity, a concept you obviously don't understand. They wouldn't
have cared less if Taiwan is rich or poor.
\_ China *had* national unity before Mao.
\_ read a fucking history book.
\_ United Front
\_ What you're saying falls under what I wrote.
\_ Who's the douchey douchebag that keeps deleting this thread?
\_ Heh, I've only deleted it once. - troll-recognizer whose
comment got deleted
\_ it was not intended as a troll, it was intended to generate
interesting discussion, which it did(along with the usual
flames). go fuck yourself. -op
\_ Whatever. Delete me, I'll delete you.
\_ It's easy. There must be one great Communist Nation to combat the
evil greedy infidels of the Capitalistic BushReich! |
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