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2003/12/2 [Politics/Domestic/Gay] UID:11282 Activity:nil
12/2    Gay Recap:
        Liberal: As long as it's consensual, let me do what I want to do,
        it's my choice if I want to corrode the moral fabric of our society.
        Conservative: Gay sex is on par with polygamy, incest, and bestiality.
        \_ Christian: how do pin angels on the Christmas tree?
           Satan:     how to stick a pin through angels?
           Atheist:   how come there are so many pinheads in this world?
        \_ How nice, a Fair And Balanced (TM) summary.
           \_ It was ruled that the Fox Trademark "Fair and Balanced" was
              unenforceable when throwing out their inane suit against the
              Al Franken book "LIES and the Lying Liars who tell them, a
              Fair and Balanced look at the Right"
              \_ He didn't rule that it was unenforceable, just unenforceable
                 in that instance.
        \_ Being gay is not a choice.
           \_ But having sex is.
              \_ Do you accept that being gay is not a choice?
                 Just want to make sure.
                 \_ What I accept is that there is a spectrum of sexual
                    attraction, and that it appears in most cases there is
                    little or no choice involved in attraction.  However, I have
                    seen anecdotal evidence to the contrary--men who lived
                    promiscuous homosexual lives who then married women and
                    lived happy lives (likely they were somewhere in the middle
                    of the sexual attraction spectrum).  I also knew someone who
                    viewed a *lot* of pornography went from straight porn to gay
                    porn and suddenly "discovered" that he was bisexual.
        \_ And at least one lawyer is arguing it:
           link:csua.org/u/54r
        \_ wow, way to make both sides look bad.
           \_ that was my goal, i feared that i was bashing one side more than
                the other. --'some of my best friends are gay'
                \_ dude, being gay is not a choice
                   \_ neither are psychopathic tendencies
                      \_ only a motd person could equate love with psychosis.
                         \_ The man makes a point.  Why is homosexuality not a
                            disease?  It is certainly not normal, regardless of
                            whether it's a behavioral or a genetic condition.
                            It's certainly debilitating (it results in effective
                            sterility in most animals).  Humans find ways around
                            it, but they find ways around blindness too.  Blind
                            people don't drive cars.
                            \_ Are you against the use of birth control?  Do
                               you believe propogation of our species is the
                               point of sex?  I'm talking about human society,
                               not biological precepts.
                               \_ No I don't believe that to be the point of
                                  sex.  However, inability to procreate
                                  conventionally is certainly a debilitating
                                  effect, would you not agree?
                                  \_ Er, no.  As people have searched over
                                     the multitude of millenia for ways to
                                     prevent pregnancy, i most certainly do
                                     not agree.
                                     \_ More common is regulating pregnancy, not
                                        avoiding it entirely.
                               \_ What relevance does this have? --not the
                                  person asked the question
                                  \_ Drawing a parallel to illustrate the
                                     fallacy of the argument?
                                     \_ Drawing a fallacial parallel won't
                                        illustrate a thing about the argument.
                            \_ Indeed, it was listed as a mental disorder by the
                               APA, but was removed from the list without
                               review.
                            \_ http://www.sissify.com/juice/dsm4.html#orient
                               If you want the other side, visit http://narth.com
                               \_ But why did homosexuals fight to have this
                                  classification removed?  You can mount much
                                  more effective lobbying if you, as a group,
                                  are considered to have a disease.  You can
                                  tug at more heartstrings that way.  Look at
                                  the blind and the deaf.
                                  \_ Probably because classifying it as
                                     a disorder is incorrect.
                                     \_ Ah, but why without review?  Was it
                                        determined to be incorrect based on
                                        scientific grounds?  Or on PC grounds?
                         \_ The point is that tendencies are often not choices,
                            but actions are.  Alcoholics are alcoholics whether
                            they drink or not.
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The fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social, occupational, or other important areas of functioning. Specify if: With Gender Dysphoria: if the person has persistent discomfort with gender role or identity. First, it is peculiar that this disorder is limited to heterosexual males. Apparently, women and gay men are free to wear whatever they chose without a diagnosis of mental illness. The description, sexually arousing, could be interpreted to apply to only fantasies or to all three of fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors with very different meaning. The first interpretation would implicate all recurrent cross-dressing behavior. The second would limit the diagnosis to only sexually motivated cross-dressing and imply the unlikely phrase, sexually arousing sexual urges. Both interpretations are supported historically in previous DSM editions APA80,87 and by various conflicting remarks in the text of the DSM-IV. Although labeled a fetishism, it is not clearly stated whether or not transvestism must be sexual in nature to qualify for diagnosis. The clinical significant criterion, D, was added to all conditions in the Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders section. The definition of distress or impairment lies at the heart of the issue of pathologization of gender expression. Dysfunction, Nonconformity, and Mental Disorder A third interpretation of these categories has been advanced by George Brown of the Veterans Administration Brown95 and is widely believed within the gender community Kirk95. It holds that the clinical significance criteria for Transvestic Fetishism and Gender Identity Disorder serve to exclude ego systonic or otherwise well adjusted transgendered subjects from medical diagnosis. However, it is contradicted in the GID section: Gender Identity Disorder can be distinguished from simple nonconformity to stereo-typical sex role behavior by the extent and pervasiveness of the cross-gender wishes, interests, and activities. The second statement implies that you may deviate from social expectation without a diagnostic label, but not too much. Appendix four, the Annotated Listing of changes in DSM-IV, speaks of categories subsumed, not eliminated APA94. Nothing in the text of the DSM-IV Sexual and Gender Identity Disorders chapter or the supporting literature conveys an intent to depathologize any transgendered people who were classified in previous editions Bradley91, APA94b. Dysfunction, defined as distress or impairment, is the key issue in that all who grow up in a closet, suppressing their identity, experience distress. Therefore, no one is necessarily excluded by the clinical significance criteria. For example, a child molester who is not distressed or socially impaired by the condition would arguably be disqualified for a diagnosis of pedophilia. Kenneth Zucker and Ray Blanchard, members of the DSM-IV Subcommittee on Gender Identity Disorders, have noted that the question of whether distress is inherent to transvestism or imposed by social pressures is not resolved Zucker95. It is again not clearly defined who is ill and who is not, the judgement resting upon the personal values of the evaluator. No one has reasonably established why gender orientation is treated so differently in the DSM excepting differences in political organization and influence Bullough93. Contrary to the medical stereotype, I have met many people in the transgender community who are satisfied with their gender orientation, show no significant psychopathology, and function very well socially and occupationally. The Stigma of Psychosexual Disorder The burden of social stigma suffered by transgendered people is worsened by medical classification Bolin88. Transvestic Fetishism, in particular, is organized in the most damaging and demeaning manner possible, classified as a Sexual Paraphilia along with Pedophilia, Exhibitionism, Voyeurism, Frotteurism, Sadism and Masochism. Most transsexuals do not necessarily hate their genitals Bornstein94, Bolin88, and reassignment surgery candidates in fact need the tissues to reconstruct new ones. The daredeviling crossdresser Brown95 represents victim bashing in that crossdressers who suffer discrimination or bigotry are blamed for risking getting caught. The presumption that non-transsexual crossdressing constitutes sexual deviance is implied by the very name, Transvestic Fetishism. This and the common association of sexual masochism with cross-gender expression Zucker95 exaggerate the significance of sex in gender and trivialize the role of social expression. Sexual motivation is said to be displaced by gender dysphoria in the Aging Transvestite Wise80 model, when it is more likely lessened with self-acceptance and increased freedom of expression. Finally, suggestions that favor surgical reassignment candidates with heterosexual outcomes APA94 deserve scrutiny. Distress, Impairment, and the Role of Social Intolerance Micheal Lewis, author of Shame, the Exposed Self , defines shame as a self perceived failure to meet self-imposed standards and a global attribution of failure to the total self Lewis95. This occurs at a surprisingly early age, between 18 and 36 months, when children internalize the values of the society around them. While not targeted specifically at socially marginalized groups, Lewis observations explain much about the experience of a closeted development. Are distress, depression and anxiety, attributed by the medical literature to gender expression, reasonable consequences of undeserved shame? Conversely, what are the implications of masquerading the body to fit the core identity? Given the harsh stigma associated with cross-gender identity, is it possible that sexual expression serves defensive purposes, representing denial or displacement? Does this explain the commonly reported transience of fetishistic crossdressing Bradley91, Wise80 more adequately than spontaneous development of transsexualism later in life? Again, the DSM fails to distinguish inherent distress from socially imposed distress, presuming the former. Socio-Cultural Considerations Anthropologist Anne Bolin noted the provincial nature of gender research with socio-cultural findings virtually ignored in medical policy Bolin87. There is substantial historical precedent for the enforcement of rigid gender roles by medical practitioners. For example, from the early to mid-1900s, women who exceeded the bounds of gender conformity in demanding civil rights and the right to vote were discredited and often institutionalized with a diagnosis of hysteria Mayor74. Homosexuality, as noted previously, was classified as mental illness until 1973, representing a violation of appropriate gender role. At the heart of the current medical policy is a presumption of gender essentialism, perpetuating the doctrine of two sexes, immutable, and determined by genitalia. A growing body of literature that considers gender a social construction, not a biological imperative DeBeauvior52, Kessler78, Butler90, Garber92, Lorber94, has been inexplicably disregarded. Other social considerations include the power inequity in transsexual psychotherapy and the validation of medical caregivers Bolin88. A therapist serving as a gatekeeper to the availability of surgical or hormonal treatment holds absolute power over a transsexual client. This undermines the therapeutic relationship, leaves the client little motivation for honest expression Blanchard88, and creates a distorted view of transgenderism by psychiatric caregivers reflected in the current medical policy. Finally, medical practitioners and researchers have a self-interest in the present diagnostic categories, which are perceived to lend respectability to gender work Pauly92, and legitimize association with transgendered subjects Bolin88. Cross-Cultural Supernumerary Gender Precedents Socio-cultural research has elucidated a growing list of supernumerary gender roles among many cultures Bolin87, Bullough93, Williams86. Summary Our examination of the present classification of Transvestic Fetishism and Gender Identity Disorder has raised substantive que...
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APA Journal Article Says Yes Welcome to the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) -- a non-profit, educational organization dedicated to affirming a complementary, male-female model of gender and sexuality. NARTH, founded in 1992, is composed of psychiatrists, psychoanalytically informed psychologists, certified social workers, and other behavioral scientists, as well as laymen in fields such as law, religion, and education.