11/25   "Considering how miserable weddings seem to make straight people
        -- the work, the expense, the seemingly inevitable conflicts with
        your parents, the 50 percent chance of a divorce -- shouldn't people
        who don't like gay people want us to get married, just to make us
        miserable?" -- Dan Savage
        \_ I agree with 3,000 years of recorded history.  Marriage is an
           institution between a man and a woman ... and our constitution
           and laws should reflect that. -Massachusetts gov
           \_ I agree with thousands of years of recorded history. Slavery
              is an institution between a master and a servant.. and our
              constitution reflects that. Let's bring it back.
              \_ talk about missing the point.
                 \_ No point to be missed, just some bigotry to be pointed
                    out.
                    \_ No, the point was "-Massachusetts gov".  Care to
                       try again?
                       \_ The governor of Massachusetts is a Mormon.
                          No surprises here.
                    \_ Yeah, I see clearly in our Constitution where it
                       says slavery. America - love it or leave it.
                       \_ Taxation and Representation - Article 1 Section 2:
                          "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be
                           apportioned among the several States which may be
                           included within this Union, according to their
                           respective Numbers, which shall be determined by
                           adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including
                           those bound to Service for a Term of years, and
                           excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all
                           other Persons."
                           \_ superceded , 14th amendment section 2.
                              \_ Which was exactly my point.  Sometimes,
                                 you have to make changes.
                          Slave Trade - Article 1 Section 9:
                          "The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any
                           of the States now existing shall think proper to
                           admit, shall not be prohibited by the Congress prior
                           to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight,
                           but a Tax or duty may be imposed on such Importation,
                           not exceeding ten dollars for each Person."
                          Fugitive Slaves - Article 4 Section 2::
                          "No Person held to Service or Labour in one State,
                           under the Laws thereof, escaping into another, shall,
                           in Consequence of any Law or Regulation therein,
                           be discharged from such Service or Labour, but shall
                           be delivered up on Claim of the Party to whom such
                           Service or Labour may be due."
                           America - love it or fix it.
                           \_ what's so broken about not allowing queers to
                              marry?  we don't allow lots of people who
                              engage in anti-social behavior to do a lot of
                              things for a lot of reasons.
                              \_ Okay, I'll bite.  What's anti-social about
                                 fucking?  Seems pretty damn social to me.
           \_ Garriage!
              \_ ill bite, what's garriage mean?
                 \_ I believe its a concatenation of "gay" and "marriage."
                    -- !op
                    \_ ah... thanks.  garriage... please tell me, is it
                       supposed to be insulting or a positive word/phrase?
                       \_ I have no idea.  I don't think its either.  I think
                          its just meant to be stupid/funny, like the rest of
                          the motd.  Whether it suceeds at that is a matter
                          of opinion.  I thought it was really funny the
                          first time I saw, but I'm sure like ED! and
                          RIDE BIKE! and now IFILE!, it will just become
                          tiresome.
                          \_ Actually, I was going for meme status... I'd like
                             to promote it as an alternative to the term "civil
                             union", which is the blinkingly obvious solution to
                             this whole debate.  Marriage == religious sacrament.
                             Civil Union: Government's version of two people
                             declaring their love of shared tax forms.
                             \_ Nice plan, but the fundies will never go for it.
                                Anything that acknoledges that there might be
                                an acceptable, workable lifestyle that includes
                                something other than missionary position
                                vaginal sex between a married heterosexual
                                couple for the purpose of reproduction is
                                verboten.  BTW, Dean supports something exactly
                                like what you are suggesting, but of course
                                the media will just spin it as "gay marriage"
                                because it will get better ratings that way.
                                \_ DEAN!