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11/23   "Iraq is the final nail in the coffin for the M-16," said a commander
        who asked not to be identified.
        http://csua.org/u/52n
        \_ About time, too.  Next up, blasters!
           \_ I'll drink to that.  In the meantime, the Brits are very
              seriously considering these beauties:
              http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg13-e.htm
              \_ The brits are going to replace their main assault rifle with
                 a submachine gun?  Are you joking?
                 \_ What's the difference between an assualt rifle and a
                    machine gun?  Both can keep on firing as long as you hold
                    the trigger, right?  -- newbie
                    \_ The difference is range and stopping power.
                       A submachine gun fires pistol rounds, an assault rifle
                       fires 'hybrid rounds', i.e. half way between a pistol
                       and a bolt-action rifle round.  In WWII armies used
                       a mix of rifles firing 'big rounds' which had range
                       and accuracy, but not a lot of firepower, and
                       submachine guns which had firepower but no range.
                       After the war, most armies moved to use assault
                       rifles (a german WWII invention, incidentally),
                       something which combined the advantages of a bolt
                       action rifle and a submachine gun.  -- ilyas
                    \_ An assault rifle is an semi-automatic or automatic
                       rifle (think long barrel). Semi-automatic means you
                       need to pull the trigger for each shot (no cocking or
                       reloading motion needed). Machine guns have an automatic
                       mode (hold trigger, shoots more than one shot). It
                       can be a pistol or a rifle.
                       \_ Does anyone make a fully-automatic pistol?  Why would
                          anyone want to use them except to haphazardly shoot
                          everyone in the general vicinity?
                          \_ What about that automatic gun with very short
                             barrel that was used by Reagan's bodyguards during
                             his assasination?  Is that classified as a pistol?
                      \_ machine guns firing pistol rounds (45ACP 10mm 9mm etc)
                         are called submachineguns.  think uzi, HK MP5, MAC-10
                         A pistol that can fire as a fully automatic weapon is
                         called a select-fire pistol
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Standart pistols and SMGs chambered for pistol rounds were proved ineffective against enemy soldiers, wearing armour bulletproof vests, so FN Herstal developed a new round with enhanced penetration - the SS190. This round looks like scaled downt 556mm NATO round and forces the pointed, steel core bullet to the 600-700 meters per second at the muzzle, thus being capable to defeat standart CRISAT helmets and armour vests at reasonable distances 50-100 meters. It is fed from 50-rounds box magazines, made from transluscent polymer. The magazine is being located above the barrel, with the cartridges being aligned at 90 degrees to the barrel axis. Each magazine has built-in ramp that rotates cartridge to align it with the barrel prior to chambering it. The P90 controls are completely ambidextrous, with charging handles located at the both sides of the weapon, and the safety/fire mode selector is located below the trigger. P90 is built in bull-pup configuration, with polymer stock, and features built-in reflex collimator sight with 1X magnification and reticle automaticaly ajustable to the light level, as well as a set of the backup open sights. P90 may be equipped with special silencer, that should be used with special, sub-sonic variant of the 57x28mm cartridge. P90 may be referred as a forerunner of the PDW Personal Defence Weapon concept, that arose in last 4 or 5 years. P90 is used by Saudi Arabia, Peruan Special Forces and some special units of Thailand army, and offered for export by FN.