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11/19   A good summary of ethanol:
        http://www.ce.berkeley.edu/Courses/E11/PatzekEthanolPaper.pdf
        \_ This has nothing to say about air cleanliness.
        \_ and... as it is right now, it takes *MORE* energy to produce
           Et-OH from corn than the energy contained in Et-OH.
           \_ Not according to that article. That article plays some
              weird sleight of hand by claiming that solar energy is
              not free.
              \_ He's not discounting solar energy.  Let C be the amount
                 of corn required to produce the equivalent of 1 gallon
                 of gas in ethanol.  He's saying that through fertilizers,
                 tractors, irrigation, harvesting, drying, and conversion,
                 1 gallon of real gasoline is used to grow and convert C.
                 It's zero sum, you could have burned that same gallon of
                 gas directly.
        \_ If you have even one scientific article claiming the EtOH
        \_ If you have even one scientific artile claiming the EtOH
           does not decrease emissions, I would like to see it. It might
           not be worth the cost, but it certainly cleans the air in CA.
        \_ Here is a good cost/benifit analysis saying the whole thing
           is not really worth it:
        \_ ok, here's the deal: gasoline is bad for the environment.  the stuff
           we add to it doesnt change that much.  nothing much will happen
           until we get a non-oil based economy going.  don't hold your
           breath for that one, folks.
           http://www.esm.ucsb.edu/fac_staff/fac keller/papers/Abstract21.pdf
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