11/19   \_ People in *USA* need to realize that USA is not the greatest nation
           at certain things. Infant mortality rate is just one example.
           Adult illiteracy rate and  percentage of adult incarcerated are
           also among the highest among industrialized nation.  Not to mention
           math/science score among teenagers...
                \_ No one said the US was the greatest wrt infant mortality.
                   I think the point in that thread was that the US was
                   *industrialized* and sufficiently technological that it
                   makes little sense to eschew that for home birthing crap.
                   Reading comprehension--, grasshopper.
                   \_ People believe in all sorts of crap.  Look at the morons
                      who refuse to vaccinate their kids these days at a time
                      when we need them more than ever.  Here comes the plague.
                \_ yep, and US has one of the biggest white hate groups (KKK),
                   white hating groups (Black Panthers), white trash,
                   religious phreaks (Davidians), crazy guys (Kazinsky),
                   conspiracy groups (Tennessee Militias), etc etc. Go
                   diversity!!!
                \_ well I attribute most of it to blacks, mexicans, and the
                   rednecks. I bet if you disregard results from them the
                   score would be so much higher.
                   \_ DEAN!
                      \_ huh? btw, it's a factual statement that those groups
                         are more illiterate and more incarcerated. Is it
                         racist to say that?
                         \_ Depends, are you saying that those people commit
                            more crime and are slow learners?  Or are you just
                            a smug asshole who points out the difference between
                            "verbal" and "oral"?
                            \_ Per capita, they commit more crimes.  And don't
                               get oral with me, young man.
                                \_ per capita, the poor and uneducated commit
                                   more crimes, yes.  Defining it in terms of
                                   ethnic groups is divisive and unhelpful.
                                   Is it Tiger Woods' fault?  Or A-Rod's? -tom
                                   \_ TW is asian.  Mixed race at best.  No, it
                                      is not the fault of any one individual of
                                      any race.  No one said it was.  We were
                                      talking per capita.  Where'd you get this
                                      TW crap from?  That has nothing to do
                                      with anything.
                                        \_ It's not the fault of the race,
                                           either.  -tom
                         \_ These days, yes.  You can't state a fact if it
                            offends someone without being called racist.  You
                            must be new to Berkeley.  You've erred when someone
                            else's feelings are hurt.  There are no standards.
                            \_ Stop being so petulant, man, it really doesn't
                               give your arguments much weight.  You might also
                               want to take into consideration that statistics
                               without context are largely meaningless and can
                               pretty much be distorted to mean anything....
                               \_ I'm not.  It's the truth.  You're either a
                                  Cal student or alum, right?  You should
                                  know that victimhood is now defined by the
                                  alleged victim.  If she says it's rape, it's
                                  rape.  If he says you're racist, you're
                                  racist, because you're white, he's not and
                                  you hurt his feelings.
                                  \_ Boohoo! We are victims of non-white
                                     male victimhood!
                                     \_ Wow, you're an idiot.  How do you ever
                                        expect anyone to ever get along and
                                        end the hate when you believe it's ok
                                        to hate certain people?  Talk about
                                        totally missing the point.  You missed
                                        the entire universe.
                            \_ I think it's still ok to hurt the feelings of
                               certain white folks.
                               \_ That was always ok.  White people aren't
                                  really human so anything goes.
                                  \_ Hey, stop trying to be the victim.
                                     \_ what's really funny is that most of
                                        this thread/flamewar is in reply to
                                        the one line troll "DEAN!"
                                        \_ no that was ignored if you read the
                                           thing that actually replied to it.
                                           but it is funny that you think so.
                                           \_ fine.  at least we both think
                                              *something's* funny.
                                     \_ Sorry, I forgot.  White people have no
                                        rights.  White people are all evil just
                                        because they're white.  Kill whitey!