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2003/11/12-13 [Reference/Military, Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:11048 Activity:nil
11/12   We like to accuse other countries of war crimes, but won't own up to
        our own:
        http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=SRTIGERFORCE
        Interestingly, Donald Rumsfeld was ALSO the Secretary of Defense when
        the investigation was simply filed away and covered up.
        \_ America, love it or leave it.
           \_ Or fix it.
           \_ I like to memorize bumper stickers instead of thinking for myself,
              too!
           \_ this comment is beyond stupid
              \_ has it crossed into the realm of dubya?
           \_ Is this what you would have said to Patrick Henry? Could you
              stare George Washington in the face and say this? "Stupid
              Revolutionaries, if you don't like the colonies being ruled
              by England, just leave!". Do me a favor and fuck yourself.
              \_ I think he was trolling. He got 4, 3 were small though.
                 Anyway it's better than "My country, right or wrong!"
        \_ Heh, I was going to say there hasn't been anything even remotely
           like a war crime since Vietnam and then, hey, what did you dig up
           but stuff about Vietnam?  What next?  Some of the founders owned
           slaves!  Whatever.
           \_ Those who don't learn from the past...
              \_ Yawn.  Which war crimes are being committed today by US
                 soldiers?
                 \_ I would think whatever is happening in guantanamo bay
                    would considered as war crime.  The administration
                    repeatly state that fight against Terror is a different
                    kind of war, thus, international rule doesn't apply.  This
                    arguement is errily similiar to what Hitler has told his
                    staff regards to war against the USSR.
                    \_ You think holding some dudes against their will is a
                       war crime?  Are you one of those people who thinks in
                       black'n'white on every subject?  A war crime is being
                       resposible for the deaths of hundreds, thousands or in
                       WW2, millions of civilians.  A war crime is the scum at
                       the UN engaged in the sex slave trade who are the same
                       people responsible for ending it.  A war crime is one
                       group of people genociding another.  Getting put on a
                       plane to gitmo, given 3 squares and a Koran, a compass
                       and access to Muslim clerics is not a war crime, son.
                       \_ Dude, it's the ESL Conspiracy Theorist Guy.  He's so
                          mired in his Anti-US Utopia, that he's invented his
                          own english-like vocabulary and a unique sort of
                          logic to support his POV.
                       \_ Alright, who let the John Bircher out of his cage
                          again?
           \_ Last time I checked, we were still trying Nazi Criminals couple
              years ago.  If the statue of limitation is more than 50 years
              (as how we treats the Nazis), I think a lot of people deserve
              to be hung.
              \_ They were convicted in 1945.  There's no place in the world
                 where running away for long enough after a conviction gets
                 you off the hook.  But, yes, I agree with you that a lot of
                 people deserve to be hung, statute of limitations or not.
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Three Blade reporters won the Pulitzer Prize - journalisms highest honor - yesterday for uncovering the atrocities of an elite United States Army fighting unit in the Vietnam War that killed unarmed civilians and children during a seven-month rampage. March 28, 2004 Tiger Force Army brass let Hackworth retire despite host of alleged misdeeds At a motel outside Washington a redheaded woman clad only in a robe opened her door one morning to two men. March 28, 2004 Tiger Force Units founder says he didnt know of atrocities A day after enemy soldiers had nearly overrun his base camp, the commander of one of the most battered and bloodied battalions in Vietnam prepped his elite platoon to hunt down their attackers. February 15, 2004 Tiger Force Investigators will question ex-GIs about killing spree In a case that has reached the top levels of the Pentagon, military investigators will begin interviewing former soldiers of an elite platoon accused of slaughtering scores of unarmed civilians in the Vietnam War. October 22, 2003 Tiger Force THE SERIES: Elite unit savaged civilians in Vietnam It was an elite fighting unit in Vietnam - small, mobile, trained to kill. Known as Tiger Force, the platoon was created by a United States Army engaged in a new kind of war - one defined by ambushes, booby traps, and a nearly invisible enemy. October 22, 2003 Tiger Force DAY 1: Rogue GIs unleashed wave of terror in Central Highlands QUANG NGAI, Vietnam - For the 10 elderly farmers in the rice paddy, there was nowhere to hide. Approaching quickly in between were the soldiers - an elite United States Army unit known as Tiger Force. October 22, 2003 Tiger Force DAY 2: Inquiry ended without justice Seven years after leaving Vietnam, James Barnett broke down. Haunted by the killing of civilians, the former Tiger Force sergeant invited Army investigators to his home to offer a surprise confession. October 22, 2003 Tiger Force DAY 3: Pain lingers 36 years after deadly rampage SONG VE VALLEY, Vietnam - Incense smoke rose over the grave as Tam Hau knelt on the grassy mound. Hands trembling, she prayed quietly to the uncle who stumbled upon the soldiers so long ago. October 22, 2003 Tiger Force Why did some troops target civilians but others did not? Ken Kerney said he joined the Army to fight communism, but he would face another struggle in Vietnam. Entering a special fighting unit in one of the countrys most dangerous war zones, he watched in 1967 as his new peers sliced ears from enemy dead and opened fire on unarmed villagers. October 22, 2003 Tiger Force Army makes adjustments in effort to prevent abuses Lt. Chris Hughes had a tough decision to make on a tense street in a southern Iraqi city, so he gave his 130 troops a set of orders that would draw international attention. October 22, 2003 Tiger Force Vietnamese teen saved by sergeant After watching Tiger Force soldiers execute an unarmed villager, Sgt. He raised his rifle with his own threat: He would kill anyone who tried to shoot any more civilians. October 22, 2003 Tiger Force Hearsay account triggered the probe After 41/2 years of investigating Tiger Force, the only soldier disciplined in the case was the one who brought it to the Armys attention. October 22, 2003 Tiger Force 2 officers clashed over the treatment of noncombatants The two elderly Vietnamese women were walking toward the soldiers when Tiger Force platoon Lt. Quickly, another lieutenant, Donald Wood left, told the men not to fire. October 22, 2003 Tiger Force Experts: Earlier Tiger Force probe could have averted My Lai carnage MY LAI, Vietnam - Just before dawn, the ritual begins. People gather around stone statues, some whispering prayers, others crying. Every year, hundreds of Vietnamese travel to the memorial that marks the day the soldiers swept into the tiny village before sunrise expecting to meet enemy soldiers. October 22, 2003 Tiger Force 7 allegations focused on GI from Arizona Sam Ybarra sat in the darkness of his mothers Arizona home, sobbing. Once a feared member of Tiger Force who boasted of shooting civilians, he was now a broken figure - haunted by images of the war. October 22, 2003 Tiger Force Primary figures Special Agent Gustav Apsey - The lead agent in the 41/2-year Tiger Force case, he oversaw an investigation that utilized more than 100 investigators to interview 137 witnesses in 63 cities. October 22, 2003 Tiger Force About the series/The Blades team The Blades investigation began after the newspaper obtained 22 pages of classified Army records detailing atrocities by Tiger Force. The records of the Armys Criminal Investigation Command were just the start. October 22, 2003 Tiger Force Vietnams children: Photo story Toledo Magazines photo story by Andy Morrison on Vietnams children.