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11/10 Now that everyone's had ample time to see it, can someone explain to me why all the Agent Smith's started to suddenly explode at the end? \_ okay, after reading a transcript of the final battle, I now fully believe in my Trojan Horse theory which is that when the big machine jacked Neo in for the battle, it jacked him in as a Trojan Horse. So when Smith copied himself onto Neo, the machine now had a link to Smith and could then shut Smith down. Note how the machine does an electrical surge on Neo's body just before Smith copies himself. \_ He's exploding because he can't stand the BAD FUCKING ACTING. The only worthwhile things in that movie were (a) Hugo Weaving, and (b) Monica Bellucci. "Now, Ms. Bellucci, hold still for a moment." *wrap wrap wrap* *stuff stuff* *loud wet pop* *another pop* "Dammit!" *stuff stuff stuff* "Now don't breathe!" *wet pop* *boingg* "shit!" *stuff stuff stuff* and so it goes. -John \_ John is a very persistant 13 year-old. \_ What are you, 13? Jees. \_ Now I *have* to see the movie just to find out what this is about. \_ I don't recall. Did she even have any lines in the movie? \_ Yes, when Trinity has the gun at Merv's head, she says something to the effect of believing that Trinity will pull the trigger because she can see that Trinity will do anything for Neo. \_ I've heard two suggestions, neither all that convincing. a) Neo or the Source was able to infect Smith with some virus by letting Neo be infected. b) Smith's whole purpose was to defeat Neo, and once he did, his program got deleted. \_ The latter is the better explanation. It also fits with the theme of beginnings corresponding with ends. Neo had to be defeated in order to complete Smith's purpose. And without purpose, he would not exist (see M2). \_ So is Neo dead or what? \_ Quite. \_ Probably not dead enough to appear in the sequel. \_ I was bored because I didn't give a rat's ass about the incoherent, incomprehensible story. Contrast with "Oooh, shiny." \_ I thought maybe the part where Smith said he remembered standing Neo before meant that Neo had trapped Smith in something like a virtual machine. But other explanations would be welcome. \_ Conveyed primarily with overwrought, faux-solemn "dialogue" that made little sense. Great. \_ He's defeated the "Neo" six times before. It is his purpose. \_ Norton Antivirus? \_ every program has a purpose. When Smith converts Neo, he converted the entire Matrix. The Matrix could end. Didn't he say: Everything has a beginning and an end? \_ No, Smith's purpose ends. He has destroyed himself. The Matrix never ended. The other programs succeeded in "rebalancing" it. If Neo had not reentered the Matrix for the final battle and lost, then Smith would have destroyed the Matrix, the machines, and Zion while trying to complete it's task. \_ it is == it's \_ Great, so after all that shit it's the same old "GOOD IS NOTHING WITHOUT EVIL!" crap? I was so bored during M3. \_ bored? do you completely lack sensory perception? \_ It's not good vs. evil. It's fate vs. free will and acquiescence vs. sacrifice. If you believe the Ws put that much depth into the film. \_ Wait a minute, i thought Smith's purpose like all other agents is to look for and kill anomalies(people that have already broken out of the matrix) in the matrix. My understanding is that a computer must follow equations, but when Neo broke rules of the equations in the matrix, then the left hand side did no equal the right hand side, so the matrix needed to introduce a new object (the virus/agent smith) to counterbalance the equations. So when neo died, the virus wasn't needed anymore (i.e no purpose). But i guess once a program contracts a virus, it cannot by extracted from the program without killing the program itself... \_ It's an alteration of CS as we know it. Smith (virus) used other programs and humans as resources (as opposed to physical CPU or memory). Upon EOP of Smith, all resources were released with the programs perfectly recovered (See Oracle Seraph and Sati). Dunno about about the humans. \_ If this was the case, do all programs just explode the exact moment their purpose is accomplished? The Keymaster in M2 didn't. I don't buy this explanation, because renegade programs still hide out in the Matrix once they are no longer needed. They don't just explode on their own. They have to get garbage collected. \_ Yes, but if there's any program the system is anxious to do GC on, it would be Agent Smith. \_ You're all looking for sense where there is none. \_ D00D!!!!1!! URA L2M3R1!!!!1!!! M2TR1X III R0000LZ0000RZ!!! I W@|\|T T0 B2NG TR1|\|1TY!!!!!!11!!!! \_ Heh, is there an elite-speak program somewhere? \_ |\|0!!1!!! U D0 n0T U53 2 PR()GR4|\/| T0 SP33K 31337!11!!1 TH4T W0\/7|> B3 L2M3!!!!1!!!!!11! \_ http://www.matrix-explained.com \_ I think the correct response is: Get a FREAKIN LIFE! \_ Wow. I'm enjoying reading this site. Good stuff. |
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www.matrix-explained.com Answers to questions that Matrix Reloaded raised (and seemed to promise to answer in Revolutions). Imagine you make a movie and suddenly your hero has telekinetic powers: He stops 4 incoming war machines just by thinking it. Fans were looking for the same kind of twists we loved in Matrix 1 and Matrix 2. The brothers created one of the biggest cliffhangers of movie history. I think it was meant to electrify and I think the Wachowskis wanted to raise these forum discussions (they are computer fans themselves). And how did the Wachowskis decide to resolve this riddle in Matrix Revolutions? THIS IS THE WHOLE ANSWER TO THE BIGGEST RIDDLE OF THE TRILOGY? Now it seems that the Wachowskis were powerless against the united creativity of the Matrix community. It's what the movie does not show: The twists and the mind-puzzles! I can honestly say, that in forums around the web (including this site's forum) there have been better ideas for Revolutions than in the resulting movie. It seems the movie DOESN'T EVEN TRY to make us marvel (except on the level of visuals). Didn't the brothers realize the potential of what they have created with Matrix 1 and Matrix 2? Here are a few twist ideas from the internet community: * Neo can stop sentinels, because he is the first to find out that all humans are in reality enslaved superbeings. This converts the movies to fantasy movies, but fine with me. This makes Zion real and explains how he could be in the Matrix, while not jacked-in. Inherent in the machine's programming exists a security mechanism to prevent the extermination of humanity, a security mechanism to prevent the use of any energy source beyond solar power. Thus they need Neo, and if he comes to the source he will reprogram the machines and they can wipe out all humans. Thus the fight turns out to be Computer System #1 against Computer System #2. In a last attempt The Kid is sent in and can eject out by his own powers (as demonstrated in the episode "Kid's story" from Animatrix). In fact: ANYTHING is better than an answer given by the Oracle. The Oracle never ever gave a clear answer to anybody before, so letting the Oracle give an answer may be just another way to hide that the directors had no clue how to resolve this cliffhanger. Neo could bend the spoon in Matrix 1, now he can bend the sauce (source), this is how it sounds to me. I don't care whether the Merovingian is a descendent of Jesus or Maria. To the shame of the Wachowskis I have to add that also other parts of the trilogy are left unresolved and are degraded to meaninglessness in the same manner. During the months after Reloaded his words were dissected in Matrix forums. Smith would have spread and Neo could have gone to the machine god directly. Anybody else could have run around bringing the bullets in Revolutions. Sarcasm * The sex scene between Neo and Trinity and the rave dance? Just eye candy to release a computer game where you can fly your spaceships thru tunnels. It seems to be the method of the Wachowskis to give us tidbits of information which turn out to be meaningless. The brothers increase the suspense but don't deliver the satisfying solution: Take the trailers for Matrix Revolutions for example: * Trinity says to Neo "6 hours ago I was ready to give anything for you". Wow, what happened in the last 6 hours to make Trinity say that? Well, she got him out of the Matrix, but does that differ from anything she has done before? No, but it had to be six hours, to put artificial importance into it. Trinity says "No" and the Merovingian says "OK, then not". Moreover if you consider the Merovingian's words, that "he has survived them all" then simply coming to his club is a bit too simple to overthrow him. Or does it use "Every answer raises 3 more questions" as a new merchandising concept to sever comic sales for the years to come? The same PR trick that keeps Nostradamus fans and bible fans fascinated for hundreds of years? All they need to do is to cut a few nerves in the brain to make the bodies helpless. An important question dealing about whether Zion is real or just another rebootable simulation. The Wachowski said that every name was chosen very carefully. Instead of answering questions, the movie raises more: * Is Neo really dead at the end of the movie? Didn't the Wachowski brothers know what questions would be asked after Reloaded and Revolutions? People will be relieved when they see Revolutions" I don't know what she's talking about, but it can't be the movies that _I_ have seen. This is also supported an interview with Joel Silver (the producer): Joel Silver: "The story that the boys wanted to tell ends in Revolutions. I'm sure that if they wanted to continue writing whatever they can, they can. Keanu Reeves: "I think in terms of the representation of the films, the Brothers don't tend to do things like that, like hood-wink you. I don't know about what pictures Keanu is talking, but if anything then Revolutions supports A-Matrix-within-a-Matrix theory: * Neo sees everything in Gold Code * Energy bits are flowing (similar to the green matrix code). Yes, it's true: Matrix-within-a-Matrix wasn't mentioned in Revolutions thus Zion is most probably real. But 'Hey, the sentinel could go thru you, because you are like Jesus' is just lame. Or maybe it's sacrificing concepts for the sake of digital effects. Maybe the brothers thought: Zion is fake but there is no way we going to confuse the general audience, so let's explain it in comics and just confuse the theory fans. Will the Wachowskis place hidden messages at the back of blow-up dolls to make me UNDERSTAND? Besides the lack of twists and explanations I also would like to point out the lack of keeping/ building up the tension. I denounce that the whole movie looks like a big trailer. Where do we see how the system tries to beat back Smith? Even the relationship between Trinity and Neo is boring. The movie tries to hide it beneath theatrical music volumes. It seems that characters like Persephone and Merovingian have been featured to increase comics / games sales. This applies especially to Revolutions where suddenly a sweeeet girl (Sati) appears with godlike powers. If this doesn't smell like follow-up merchandising then I don't know. But why do they write then "To be concluded" at the end of Matrix Reloaded? It's ironic that the movie is about purpose, but some characters are featured as if they had none. It looks like the same old Hollywood machinery as always. Talking for years about the symbols in Matrix Revolutions. Maybe Matrix will become a religion itself for the very reasons some of the current religions last so long: Because they tell everything and nothing. Missing fresh ideas Guns and fists - Neo, I love you - Neo, you're the One - Neo kicks Smith. Boom Boom: The PR machine rolling (Matrix Public Relation'ed so to speak) The same as before, just on a larger scale. Nothing more except what was already shown in the trailers. To give you an idea what could have been cool: * Smith hacks the Architect * Time loops. Smith in control of rain and light unleashes floods and lightnings (reinventing/ topping Dragonball). Neo * New fighting styles, animal style Kung Fu * Smith can burst sentinels, too, and thus both fight with their newly gained powers in Zion * Albino Twins reappearance * Architect in a large hall full of monitors, not only in his small room * Smith in Merovingian's Hell Club * Trinity gains superpowers too, and helps Neo * Pieces of digital code spark off as Smith hits Neo * Oracle flies * Architect watches his monitors as Smith takes over * Trinity is severely handicapped in Zion after the Agent shot her in Reloaded * More Agents * A messy back-and-forth battle Bane vs. Whenever one gains the upper hand of the other a twist occurs in the other world. Merovingian * Thousands of Smiths fly around like insects MY GOD ANYTHING WE DIDN'T EXPECT. But not the Architect visiting the Oracle in the park, while the sun rises. Yeah sure, there is a "meaning" beneath all the bad filmmaking. Gosh, did Warner Brothers make a survey and "most adult females prefer Trinity dead and Zion saved"? 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