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2003/11/6 [Politics/Foreign/MiddleEast/Iraq] UID:10962 Activity:kinda low
11/5    Total amount of lend lease for Russia from US: 11 billion.
        That is significant but it's still a small sum compared to
        what Russia produced.  Granted it's in 1940s dollars (I
        presume), but just a few months of a small war against a
        minor power like Iraq already cost us like 200 billion.
        \_ According to the bottom of the page
           http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/6315/lend.html most of the stuff
           was sent afterthey had announced that they intended to take over
           the world and fight a war against the US?  WTF?  And we sent them
           2.2lb of uranium metal and 1000+ pounds of uranium compound?
           \_ Well the US did invade the Soviet Union. You can see them being
              upset about it.
        \_ 200 billion is nothing.  You need to compare the $$$ spent vs the
           GNP or GDP during each conflict to see what fraction of the economy
           went towards war.  The figures in WWII are astounding.  The numbers
           today are so miniscule it's barely a line item in the budget by
           comparison.
           \_ I would welcome figures for:
                * The equivalent of 11 billion in today's dollars.
                * GDP of Soviet Union in the 1940s in 1940s dollars.
                \_ no, you need figures for the US since it was all done in
                   US currency, then and now.  obgoogle.
                   \_ No, what we need is SU's GDP in US dollars so we
                      can compare that to the "11 billion" of lend lease.
                      I think everyone except you understood that's what
                      is needed and that's what I was asking for.
        \_ What exactly does "lend lease" mean?  Is Russia supposed to pay us
           back?
           \_ The UK, USSR, China, and British Commonwealth were "lent" money
              for war material. At some point, they provided material for US
              troops there (reverse lend lease). After the war, arrangements
              were made to pay off the loans. A good percentage was dismissed.
              The Soviets stopped payment some time in the late 50's but then
              a deal was made with Russia who made a final payment in 2001.
        \_ In terms of finished military hardware produced (e.g tanks) it was
           not as significant but the raw materials were very significant.
           Throughout the 30's we were giving the Soviets pieces
           of our nuclear weapons program and nuclear supplies.  FDR and
           Stalin were in love.
           \_ Trucks.  Truck were useful.  Trucks >> anything else, as far as
              supplies were concerned.
           \_ We didn't even have a nuclear weapons program in the 30's.
              Take your pathetic lies elsewhere.
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Complete List of Lend Lease to Russia including atomic materials Lend Lease to Russia From Major Jordan Diaries NY: Harcourt, Brace, 1952 Chapter Nine ITEM Quantity Cost in Dollars ATOMIC MATERIALS Beryllium metals 9,681 lbs. Page one ITEM Quantity Cost in Dollars Thorium salts and compounds 25,352 $ 32,570 Brass & bronze blanks 32,760,542 lbs. Page two Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars METALS & METAL MANUFACTURES, continued METALS & METAL MANUFACTURES, continued Vises 4,398 $ 68,521. Page four Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars METALS & METAL MANUFACTURES, continued IRON, STEEL & ALLIED PRODUCTS Files & rasps, 7-in. Page five Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Iron & steel hot-rolled, stainless 2,543,563 lbs. Page six Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars IRON, STEEL & ALLIED PRODUCTS, continued MACHINES, MACHINE TOOLS & PARTS, continued Malleable iron screwed pipefittings 999,d94 lbs. MACHINES, MACHINE TOOLS & PARTS Knitting machine parts, nes - 67,804. Page seven Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost In Dollars MACHINES, MACHINE TOOLS & PARTS, continued ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, continued Water wheels, turbines & parts - S 522,845. Page eight Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, continued CANVAS ARTICLES, WOOLEN GOODS, CLOTHING, ETC. Page nine Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars CANVAS ARTICLES, WOOLEN GOODS, CLOTHING, ETC, RUBBER COMMODITIES continued Erasers & bands 61,539 lbs. Page ten Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars COTTONS COTTONS, continued Cotton gauze & sterile bandage Cotton heavy filter, hose, belting absorbent cotton 428,391 lbs. Page eleven Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars WOOD & WOOD PRODUCTS WOOD & WOOD PRODUCTS, continued Boards, doug. Page fourteen Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars CHEMICALS, continued CHEMICALS, continued Medicinal chemicals for Prescrip- Ocher, umber & iron oxide, nes l22,557 lbs. Page fifteen Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars CHEMlCALS, continued Potassium carbonate & mix. Page sixteen Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars CHEMICALS, contined CHEMlCALS, continued Sulfathiazole & derivatives 4,300 lbs. Page eightteen Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars FOODSTUFFS, continued FOODSTUFFS, continued Wheat flour, wholly of United States wheat 7,806,589 bar. Page twenty Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars GENERATING EQUIPMENT, continued PHOTOGRAPHIC SUPPLIES, continued Generators 6,214 $ 222,020,760. Page twenty-one Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars PHOTOGRAPHIC SUPPLIES, continued MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, continued Carbon brushes & stock 150,144 lbs. Page twenty-two Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars MISCELLANEOUS ITEMS, continued MICELLANEOUS ITEMS, continued Military items, nes - $ l,789,005,783. Page twenty-three Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars MISCELLANEOUS FOR l945 ONLY, continued MISCELLANEOUS FOR 1945 ONLY, continued Woodworking machinery & parts $ 280,128. Page twenty-four Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars MlSCELLANEOUS FOR 1945 ONLY, continued MISCELLANEOUS FOR 1945 ONLY, continued Sights, artillery 500 $447,001. Page twenty five Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars MISCELLANEOUS FOR 1945 ONLY, continued MISCELLANEOUS FOR 1945 ONLY, continued Engines, marine, nes 669 $2,759,268. JORDANS SPECIAL Equipment & parts, air brake, railway Household & personal effects 86,646. Page twenty-six Item Quantity Cost in Dollars Item Quantity Cost in Dollars JORDANS SPECIAL, continued JORDANS SPECIAL, contniued Smoking tobacco 4,079 lbs. SUMMARY MUNITIONS $4,651,582,000 NON-MUNITIONS 4,826,084,000 - Total 9,477,666,000 Note: the figure of $11 billion includes services as well as goods furnished. The United States Government has never released detailed reports on what was sent in Lend-Lease, so Major Jordans data, gleaned from the Russians own manifests, is the only public record. More than one-third of Lend-Lease sent was illegal under the terms of the act which specifically prohibited goods furnished for relief and rehabilitation purposes. Franklin Roosevelts alter ego and Lend-Lease administrator Harry L. Hopkins, a KGB agent, declared to Russia before a crowd at Madison Square Garden on June 22, 1942, that: We are determined that nothing shall stop us from sharing with you all that we have.