10/27   Is there an upgrade for SpamAssassin that soda hasn't installed?
        Its been missing a lot lately...
        \_ Trying to use SpamAssassin is like trying to mow weeds and hope
           they don't grow back. I don't understand why we can't attack the
           SOURCE of the problem, like ISPs allowing only a certain number
           of letters received from a certain IP or email address within
           24 hours (curtailing the # of spams) or charging for outgoing
           mail, etc etc.
           \_ We need a change to SMTP that takes the burden off the receiver
              and requires the sender to keep a presence up.  SMTP was based
              on a world of unreliable connections, which is an obselete view.
              Requiring the sender to stick around would go a long way to
              facilitate blocking spam. --scotsman
               \_ This is the most intelligent thing i've every heard said
                  in regards to fighting spam.  It's too bad legacy issues
                  are so hard to overcome.
           \_ Because there are legitimate reasons to send large amounts
              of mail, and spammers can spread out their spamming among
              thousands of IPs if it turns out to be profitable to do so.
              As for charging for outgoing mail, that wouldn't help at all,
              since spammers are using other people's machines.  -tom
           \_ ISP isn't the source of the problem. It's the spammers. Go
              attack them.
        \_ /csua/bin/ifile*
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                * ^X-Ifile-Hint: SPAM
           Best thing since peanut butter.  If you're interested I'll create
           a whole tutorial for pine users.
           \_ Yes, please.
           \_ and for mh users?
              \_ I figure they're smart enough to figure it out on their
                 own.  I sure as hell am not.  /csua/tmp/ifile_tutorial
                 \_ What if they're lazy?
        \_ Are you customizing scores in your user_prefs file?
        \_ I love soda.  I was just about to post starting this exact thread
           and here it was posted for me already.  to answer the user_pref Q
           Yes, I occasionally do that but it is not worth the effort to be
           continually changing the user_prefs file.  Spam changes to avoid
           filters and someone should put together an "updated" rule set to
           catch the latest work arounds, that i can just "upgrade" to.  For
           example, Spam now says "VI AGRA" or VAIGRA instead of VIAGRA.
           this should be caught in the new set.  I also pipe my uncaught
           spam through the spamassassin "learn" every now and then.  It
           does not seem to work well.  I seriously doubt that ifile works any
           better since but i am going to look in to the inject-learn thang
           above.  kthanks.
                \_ my experience is that ifile caught less spam and had more
                   false positives than spamassassin.  -tom