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10/23   Fuck is fucked
        http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,3604,844116,00.html
        \_ Is "Eton" in the article the #1 high school in Britain?
        \_ Oh fuck.
        \_ So this guy needed to pay his rent and couldn't think of anything
           else to write about?
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Twenty Quid Cuisine Ten Quid Tipples Expletive deleted It has been taboo for more than 500 years. But from fcuk to Four Weddings and a Funeral, the f-word has become so commonplace it now seems acceptable in everyday conversation. Jonathan Margolis investigates Thursday November 21, 2002 The Guardian The first time I heard the word fuck, I was seven. My 12-year-old brother asked me if I wanted to know the worst word in the world. He whispered it to me and, although he wasnt quite sure what it meant, we both loved the idea of a word so rude that it could barely be uttered. And in suburbia in the 60s, you would not even breathe such a word. I know my parents were aware of it from the war, and it was certainly in their secreted-away 1962 Penguin edition of Lady Chatterley. But whereas today, any 12-year-old from the dodgiest comp to Eton would say fuck if they so much as grazed a knee, I doubt my dad would have said it even if a flying saucer landed on the patio and a Martian laser-gunned the shed. It wasnt until 1970, when I briefly encountered that rare bird in Ilford, Essex, a television director, that I realised it may indeed have been the worst word in the world for lower-middle-class people like us, but for the educated middle class, it was in everyday use. The television bloke had been filming an item for BBC Nationwide nearby and asked to use our phone. He had long hair, the first pink shirt we had ever seen on a man, and said fuck several times in a brief call to his producer. My mum, who had ideas above her station, seemed to resolve from that moment to say fuck several times a day as a way of showing that she was moving onwards and upwards. Three decades on, the word is so commonplace that its shock value seems quite lost. Kenneth Tynan saying it for the first time on television in 1965 caused considerable scandal, albeit without mention anywhere of what he said. It was: I doubt if there are any rational people to whom the word fuck would be particularly diabolical, revolting or totally forbidden. We didnt know it in Ilford, but by the time our trendy television man was using fuck so casually, the middle-class or at least literary hijacking of the word from workmens slang was well underway. DH Lawrence, James Joyce, Henry Miller and Dylan Thomas had started the process, and now Doris Lessing, WH Auden, William Burroughs, John Updike and Iris Murdoch were joyously embracing the word. Soon, the speech of barristers, cabinet ministers, academics and surgeons was splattered with fucks, as it still is today when they want to appear unsnobbish. And, paradoxically, it is often ill-educated people who are the more loath to say it - for fear of appearing ill-educated. In 1976, the Sex Pistols famously used the word on Thames Today, infuriating presenter Bill Grundy. And from the 1980s onwards, films have routinely contained a fusillade of fucks, with Hugh Grants opening salvo in Four Weddings and a Funeral a notable example. Which made it little surprise that by 1997, when several broadcasting organisations produced a ranking of words by severity, fuck only came in third, behind cunt and motherfucker. If evidence were required that the word has in some sense come of age, the clothing company French Connection has recently opened a giant FCUK store almost next to Harrods. A pseudo-anarchic gesture that would once have been the subject of anger and sensation, today this is not even noteworthy enough to be a bore. Has its diminution left us bereft of a useful, powerful expletive? And is there an unspoken agenda that it is still rude when the speaker is working class? Or if it is used in a work of art, such as this years Gilbert and George exhibition, The Dirty Words Pictures, 1977? There is a pervasive myth that in some hey-nonny-no idyll of yore, the word was lusty language, but not obscene. But according to Jesse Sheidlower, the author of the 1995 American book, The F Word, fuck, which seems first to have appeared in a 1475 manuscript satirising the monks of Ely Cathedral They, that are the monks of Ely, they are not in Heaven because they fuck the wives of Ely, was always taboo. This was the case even though shit, which dates to the ninth century, was perfectly acceptable. And for Charles Jones, professor of English language at Edinburgh University, it is no longer necessarily a swear word, and barely an incivility. Jones gave evidence last year that helped Kenneth Kinnaird of Glasgow successfully appeal against a breach of the peace conviction after Kinnaird told an Edinburgh traffic policeman to fuck off. Lord Prosser agreed that Kinnaird, 43, was only using the language of his generation. For many working-class men, fuck seems to me hardly countable as an expletive, says Jones. Rather it is used as a reinforcing adverb: Its fucking cold/hot/terrible or whatever. Some purists argue that this shows an inability on the part of these speakers to use or even to have more sophisticated vocabulary, but I doubt this. John Ayto, editor of the Oxford Dictionary of Slang, concurs on the de-sexing of fuck. Fuck is a sexual term but realistically, it is almost never used that way. The overwhelming amount of times it is being used in some figurative sense - Im fucking tired or We got fucked on that deal. I think it would be too much to say that fuck doesnt offend anybody. It hasnt finished the journey yet to becoming a milk-and-water word. The decline is a matter of shifting taboos, says Jean Aitchison, the Oxford professor of language and communication who is married to Ayto. In the last century, it was religious swearing that upset people, she says. But these days people get far more upset about politically incorrect language: nigger, and even mad, are quite taboo. They just know it gets adults upset, and so keep saying it - and I have upset teachers in the past by saying, Why dont you just ignore pupils who say fuck? I think if a politician were to be heard off-camera saying fuck, it would be trivial, but if he said nigger, that would be the end of his career. Further verification that fuck is, well, fucked, comes from Andrea Wills, the BBCs chief advisor on editorial policy. In research, 50 or more people said the words that should never be broadcast are cunt, motherfucker, nigger, Paki and spastic. The childs mother said, Dont ever let me hear you say that in front of grandma again. As well as liberalisation for its own sake, the fact has also dawned that, linguistically, fuck is a very flexible and interesting word.