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10/16   Now we have confirmation that China is not expansionistic, "partly,
        it's due to anal retentive confucian morality, but moslty
        it's because Chinese prefer to stay at home and enjoy life".  Here
        ya go:
        http://www.washtimes.com/national/inring.htm
        http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_10.html
        http://www.washtimes.com/national/inring.htm
        \_ First, we are talking about gunpower era, not present day.
           Thanks for taking my writing out of context.  Second,
           if manned space flight and dual use satellites are
           considered expansionistic, we would have to conclude that
           the US is the most expansionistic nation on earth, with
           spy satellites all over the sky and spy stations all
           around China (in S. Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Mongolia,
           central asia, etc.)
        \_ white men are greedy and acquisitive. Look at the way they treated
           black slaves and how Manifest Destiny included plans to kill
           Indians with smallpox. White men like to have sex more often to
           spread their seeds around the world. It's all in the genes.
           \_ Who's yo daddy?!
              \_ George H.W. Bush!
        \_ Firstly, why post the same link twice?  Secondly, both of the
           articles quote the exact same source: a Lt. Stokes, director of
           the Taiwan desk at the Pentagon...  hrmm... must be unbiased.
           \_ simple cut'n'paste error.  why else?  -op
        \_ If you enjoy reading alarmist literature, you should try
           Jack London's "The Unparalled Invasion".  Here is a short
           summary of it:
           "... Jack London's 1910 The Unparalleld Invasion (which calls
           for an aerial bombardment of the Chinese by fragile glass tubes
           that carry every possible biological weapon - and those that
           flee are felled by the powers at their borders, the land is
           disinfected and then whites move into a cleansed China)."
           An excerpt of the aftermath:
           "They found China devastated, a howling wilderness through
           which wandered bands of wild dogs and desperate bandits who
           had survived. All survivors were put to death wherever found.
           And then began the great task, the sanitation of China."
           Here is the full version:
           http://www.classicreader.com/read.php/sid.6/bookid.1442
           \_ Is that your idea of foreign policy and containment?
           \_ And I bet you had yellow fever before too
           \_ Is this the Jack London at Jack London Square in Oakland?
              \_ yes. and our alumnus.
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The year 1904 logically marks the beginning of the development that, seventy years later, was to bring consternation to the whole world. The Japanese-Russian War took place in 1904, and the historians of the time gravely noted it down that that event marked the entrance of Japan into the comity of nations. The Western nations had tried to arouse China, and they had failed. Out of their native optimism and race-egotism they had therefore concluded that the task was impossible, that China would never awaken. What they had failed to take into account was this: THAT BETWEEN THEM AND CHINA WAS NO COMMON PSYCHOLOGICAL SPEECH. The Western mind penetrated the Chinese mind but a short distance when it found itself in a fathomless maze. The Chinese mind penetrated the Western mind an equally short distance when it fetched up against a blank, incomprehensible wall. There was no way to communicate Western ideas to the Chinese mind. The material achievement and progress of the West was a closed book to her; There lay a vast territory, and in that territory were the hugest deposits in the world of iron and coal - the backbone of industrial civilization. Given natural resources, the other great factor in industry is labour. In that territory was a population of 400,000,000 souls - one quarter of the then total population of the earth. Furthermore, the Chinese were excellent workers, while their fatalistic philosophy or religion and their stolid nervous organization constituted them splendid soldiers - if they were properly managed. But best of all, from the standpoint of Japan, the Chinese was a kindred race. The baffling enigma of the Chinese character to the West was no baffling enigma to the Japanese. The Japanese understood as we could never school ourselves or hope to understand. The Japanese thought with the same thought-symbols as did the Chinese, and they thought in the same peculiar grooves. Into the Chinese mind the Japanese went on where we were balked by the obstacle of incomprehension. They took the turning which we could not perceive, twisted around the obstacle, and were out of sight in the ramifications of the Chinese mind where we could not follow. Long ago one had borrowed the others written language, and, untold generations before that, they had diverged from the common Mongol stock. There had been changes, differentiations brought about by diverse conditions and infusions of other blood; The engineers of Japan deepened and widened the intricate system of canals, built factories and foundries, netted the empire with telegraphs and telephones, and inaugurated the era of railroad- building. It was these same protagonists of machine-civilization that discovered the great oil deposits of Chunsan, the iron mountains of Whang-Sing, the copper ranges of Chinchi, and they sank the gas wells of Wow-Wee, that most marvellous reservoir of natural gas in all the world. They evicted the scholar class, which was violently reactionary, and put into office progressive officials. Of course, Japanese editors ran the policy of these papers, which policy they got direct from Tokio. It was these papers that educated and made progressive the great mass of the population. She had transmuted Western culture and achievement into terms that were intelligible to the Chinese understanding. Japan herself, when she so suddenly awakened, had astounded the world. Chinas awakening, with her four hundred millions and the scientific advance of the world, was frightfully astounding. She was the colossus of the nations, and swiftly her voice was heard in no uncertain tones in the affairs and councils of the nations. Japan egged her on, and the proud Western peoples listened with respectful ears. Chinas swift and remarkable rise was due, perhaps more than to anything else, to the superlative quality of her labour. 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